Hating on people that run really good and you don't know is fine. Tons of people on here work very hard only to get constantly sucked out on for mucho amounts of expected $EV in these big live tourneys. All that EV is getting drained down to a select few that run really good, ie Cory. Those that buyin to these tourney's have every right to bitch on some board about how good somebody runs.

This post is just a pile-on of ******ation if you ask me.

Yes, most people here do work very hard on their game and their intellectual understanding dwarfs that of most poker players. However, you can't really, seriously tell me that 2p2ers run worse than the poker population as a whole, and if you do think there is such a thing as below-average luck, you should reconsider what all that hard work and intellectual comprehension has taught you.

Rather, in my opinion, the "running bad" that 2p2ers experience is the result of a self-fulfilling state of mind. Sure, guys like Fatal Error go down to these tournaments and make a series of analytically sound decisions, but I think their favorite part of the game is composing the next 2p2 post. The topics for these posts are usually like: "I am awesome/live players suck [yet I can't win]." "I run bad, everyone else runs good [that's why I can't win]." "Wafflecursed [this is why I can't win]."

while they probably aren't as good as they think are, its still better to have the confidence that they are better then everyone else in the fields...I disagree that their favorite part is coming to 2+2 to complain...I think its pretty safe to say they would much rather run better and become rich and famous

its not like Cory Carroll has been destroying the tournament trail...prior to this week, his entire lifetime winnings came from 2 tournaments in a 3 week span...the frustration from the people that talk **** about him running good seems ok to me...they feel he makes more mistakes then them but has had more success...In any other profession that is basically impossible...now I'm sure they know its the nature of the beast but if coming here and posting about it helps them get over it and on with the next tournament, whats the big deal

This argument started over one sentence that FatalError posted about Cory, and you acted like 10 people came here saying OMG Cory Caroll is the luckiest player ever and hes so bad

Yeah, I was just responding to one person, Fatal Error, but his attitude is emblematic of a common vibe on this board.

Cory plays an extremely low volume of tournaments and seems to final table a really significant % of them. There is no rational basis to say he makes "more mistakes" than the people who have had less success than him. In any case, I still maintain Cory is a much better, more natural player than most people on this board, and one of the reasons is that he doesn't care how other people run and doesn't care about glorifying himself or his talent (or talking down about others') on an internet message board.

But isn't this entire thread jam packed with people complaining about the suckouts that have happened over the course of the tourny? Maybe it's more of a comment on the general mindset of most posters, and not against that one statement about Cory.

Edit: Yeah, just look up.

All I was saying is that putting up 25k entitles you with some leeway to bitch about other people running better than you without other posters calling you whiney and pathetic.

Also, wtf pile on ******ation? Pretty sure Cory Carroll would never use that phrase.

Cory would say worse Anyway, all *I* was suggesting to the posters who like to post about how other people run/how bad they run is that that kind of thinking/posting might actually be negatively affecting their game. In any case, I can't take those kinds of posts at face value anymore.

Fair enough. I agree people bitch way more than they should. Especially those that are still going to be really well off in life even if the lose that 80/20.

I didnt mean to imply I think Cory makes more mistakes...it was just my opinion that they must feel he does (this could also be very wrong too I'm just guessing)

If Cory can ignore all those things, more power to him, but that doesn't mean that the people who have trouble ignoring it are worse people for it

This could be, but Shane has made multiple Pro-Cory posts in this thread, so it definitely seems his post was in defense of Cory

A bunch of people made comments about Durrr sucking out and running good also...none of those people think Durrr isn't an amazing player

I guess it is really pointless to at every tournament, post "x,y, and z ran sfsick this tournament why can't i run like that just once" where x,y,z = three chipleaders going into the final table

Its petty, but they entitled to post whatever they want and I dont see it as a big problem...if you have a problem just keep it in mind for when one of them make a final table so you can come here and say wtf he ran sooooo good, what a lucksack (and most likely they would all say it about their friend too)

shaniac, this is the MTT COMMUNITY and part of the point of this thread is rooting for our friends and other members of the community, which cory isn't. i would have made that post if anyone i'm friendly with (not just durr) lost 2 similarly crucial pots to someone whom i don't really know (not just cory).

you and cory are obviously good friends, and you clearly think highly of him. I myself have a lot of respect for his game, it's not like i said he was a no talent assclown who could'nt do basic math.

Shane, you should hold some kind of workshop on how to be an awesome poaster and all-around thinker, IMO

I don't know much about UGOTPZD game, but that sounds like a pretty irrational quote. Being a good player (or "natural" player) really has nothing to do with thinking about how people run and/or caring about glorifying 'emselves. It has to do with playing poker.

Other than that, doesn't Cory constantly talk **** online, with his (in)famous <---- lines? Not that I care, but unless i'm confusing him with someone else, he's far away from not talking down about others or glorifying himself. Unless online doesn't count, which seems silly. Than again, so is comparing that to his playing skills.

1.Cory Carroll is very good at poker.
2.Some people who post on these forums are very good at poker.
3.Believe me, Cory bitches plenty, although he does not do so in open forums nor does he single out individual players and their rungoodness.
4.There is nothing "wrong " with complaining that someone has been running better than someone else, but the negativity that comes from it is just energy wasted. The whole tone is unproductive.
5.Whether I think something is unproductive should have not one shred of influence on whether someone should do something or say something.
6.I love when shaniac says "emblematic"
7.Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum etc etc .
8.Memo bis punitor delicatum.


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I have played Cory Carroll in alot of heads up SNGs on Stars.

He complained recently that I ran insanely good against him (probably true). When I suggested he must have run extremely good to place so high in 2 high profile events in the space of two weeks he replied that he didn't make a single mistake in either tournament and deserved his position. I lol'ed. But he was serious.

If there is one thing I hate in poker it is good players who bitch at and abuse other players for getting lucky.

If there wasn't players of lesser talent than them they wouldn't make so much money. OBV. But the nature of the game is they will get lucky regularly.

So, shut up and act like a professional plz. ty.

UGOTPZD: <------------

on a lighter note i did latin for 8 years at school got a B gcse and have no idea what this means
7.Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum etc etc .
8.Memo bis punitor delicatum.
my dad will kick my head in when he realises how much money he's wasted on my education.

If google is right:

the torch of the mind lights the path to glory
I remember the spoiled punisher twice

(both of these came from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory).

what a suprise

glglglglgl

qft 'you lose good day sir'

THIS

FWIW....Halipimp/Ugot is a good guy and been a winner in poker for a while and I tip my hat to him in this and hope he TAKES THIS BISH DOWNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

And for those (unamed) that think just because someone is not known on the forum they shouldn't have a shout out to them...bullocks...Hali I am sure checks in here and cruises like a lot of good players do and further more most decent players have played him more then once.

That's the David Chiu I know for the times I have played with him.

when is the ft starting?