My name is Ulairiiii on pokerstars and i will not reveal my ongame one here Recently i started playing on ongame network because i will try to clear all bonuses from 4-5 rooms so i will have a healthy bankroll and maybe then i will try for 500.000 vpp on pokerstars


This is my story in short.I opened this thread because i find it extremely difficult to win vs the fish of ongame while i was crushing the sharks of pokerstars even i i played most of the time 20+tables.I must mention that i play 9-10 man turbo sngs.I dont have a big sample i must say that is very small on ongame meaning of 180 tourneys BUT lets take a look at my stats and graphs


Graphs:


pokerstars:




Roi 5.2%
Adjusted roi 4.8%
$/hr 7.47


ongame:



Roi -12.5%
Adjusted roi -1.0%


Finishing distirbutions

Pokerstars: Ongame:

1- 12.9 8.9
2- 10.9 10.6
3- 14.5 10.6
4- 12.1 12.8
5- 13.9 11.7
6- 12.5 13.9
7- 9.4 12.2
8- 7.9 7.8
9- 5.8 9.7
10- 5



As you can see i finish a lot less times in the money.I finish too many times second and third and not first while in pokerstars i owned the hu on sng.I saw my hands and i run really unlucky in hu for example all my aces are dominated-and it is hu Ax is a must push


I would like to hear any opinions/advices and recommendations for all the people and especially for those which switched from tilt/stars on ongame

To small sample on ongame!

Lol, you have no sample size Dont be afraid it turns up and be nice to fishes, because they make us rich And remember that you must adapt the game to them, because they wont adapt to you.

You can look at your Pokerstars graph and find multiple 200 games losing/break-even stretches so don't be discouraged by the ongame sample here.

Variance

Hi,

I also play on ongame.

What you need to remember is that ongame (especially Betfair) is fish heavy. You need to play a different game to the one you play on Pokerstars.

I see alot of fish on ongame limp hands like J6o with a 1500 stack at bb 100, then call a shove - makes no sense, its very hard to read what these players will do.

My advice - don't shove as much with weak hands (i.e. blind steal shoves), don't try and bluff the fish and be prepared to call down much more with weaker hands. Fish will go all-in Ax and call wide (KQo, KJo, etc) so be prepared to call wider than you would normally to shoves. You can double up nicely calling with AJo against an ATo shove - I wouldn't advise this level of looseness on other sites.

What I have noticed bizarrely is that fish on ongame will fold to a min-raise, but call a shove. So for blind stealing against fish - raise, don't shove.

Play a tight-agrresive game against the rocks.

When i played ongame fullring sngs the structure was very bad. i dont know if they changed it. Limit increase was every 3min and no level between 100/200 and 200/400. This Results in 8 Players at the Table with each 5bbs after a short time or something Its more or less a crapshot.
I would only play 5max on ongame.

Most likely variance, but it could also be that you are not adjusting well enough to the difference in structure, and difference in player pool.

Hello =)
Well, I honestly believe more in the game adaptation that you have to made then the volume..

Its like they say, playing in stars we have much more of good players or at least players with some sense of +EV, or not so stupidity lol
Against a complete fish will be much harder to use the "advanced" strategies.

I ve been also having this problem, but in the end , thanks fishes :P
Good Luck M8

Thank you for your reply i posted insde

What adaptation would you suggest me to make?

I dont know about 5 max because it would be hard to multitable but the difference in 100/200 200/400 make me sick

Adapt*

For instance, a Re-Steal ( in High Blind Play ), against a fish i dont think this will work most of the times.
Lets just say, advanced moves lose some efficiency if you are playing against 8 donks or fishes.

Just an example :P and My Opinion of course =)

What levels are U guys playin on? I'm an ongamer and it's definately not louded with fish anymore on my levels ($11 and $22). On 5-max it's a little bit better, but the 10-mans on avg has 7-8 players with reg stats (say VPIP/PFR between 9/7 - and 18/13 or something like that). Some might not be very good (myself included it seems due to my stats this year LOL), but they aren't fish in the normal sense of the word.

So IMHO I think the problem might be there's very little value - if any - in the games today. Also: Those fishes that just limped, folded and blinded away their stacks that were relatively common when I started play 2008 are almost gone. Today's fishes both push and call relatively wide which means both there aren't a lot of free chips to win uncontested anymore + variance will increase even if they do it with moronic ranges.

The thing about the structure is interesting though. Maybe I should try and play some games on PS and see if I think it's different there. I agree that on many bubbles all players will be short (around 10bb or less) and of course the skill level will play a lesser part under such circumstances.

You have to learn each players habits, because all fish aren't of the same breed. There are HBL-folders and HBL-callers. The former you should attack relentlessly, the latter you should just re-steal against if you have a hand that play well against their range of low pairs, Ax-suited and a bunch of broadway hands.

Ongame is one big player pool, no matter if you play on Betfair, Betsafe, ...

Another problem besides the timebank is, that rake is pretty high at ongame (compared to (super)turbos from other sites).

I'm playing SH turbos $22 and $33. Moving up to $55 soon I guess.

Does ongame has normal superturbos or do you mean turbos but because they are fast structure,you named them superturbos?

I mentioned (super)turbos b/c IIRC other sites name structures with 3min blind levels superturbos. At Ongame there are just regular games (8min) and turbos (3min).

They could definately lower the turbo rakes. The skill edge is less significant + you get to play less hands in a single game on average than if you play a regular. 7,5% rake would make them a little bit more profitable to play. But I doubt Ongame will do this... :-(

Yeah, that and finally adding a time bank would be awesome!

If you made $7/hr on stars then you were not playing against sharks, but also against fish. Just a different grade of fish maybe.

This is poker and there is a thing called variance. VARIANCE.

Also there is sample size, and you lack that.

Most of the OP also has BBV written all over it, and this thread will likely get locked.

GL.

i dont think 7$/hr without the bonuses is a little amount of money m8

that's not what he was saying i don't thing....

You're running under EV. Your sample size is next to nothing. Play 3000 more games at OnGame and if you still have this issue, then you MIGHT (and I emphasize MIGHT) have a problem. Fish are great to play with at all times under any circumstances, so enjoy it. If you stress hard in SNGs after only a 200 game sample, you are going to grow old very quickly.

It's similar to working at McDonalds, take it fwiw..

Also this. If you're playing at a level where 5% roi leads to $7/hr than you're not playing at a buyin level which will have a lot of sharks.
Unless by sharks you mean these: