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Are we ever folding 66 here? Are we ever folding 66 here?

08-11-2015 , 04:54 PM
Just wondering if this a cooler spot if opponent is playing fairly tight and we are down to final 3 tables?





    Poker Stars, $8 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 400 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37067444

    BB: 61,133 (15.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 113,060 (28.3 bb)
    MP1: 133,443 (33.4 bb)
    MP2: 96,012 (24 bb)
    MP3: 250,646 (62.7 bb)
    CO: 97,729 (24.4 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 105,231 (26.3 bb)
    SB: 108,059 (27 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 6
    5 folds, Hero raises to 12,000, SB raises to 28,650, BB folds, Hero raises to 104,831 and is all-in, SB calls 76,181

    Flop: (216,862) 2 Q 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (216,862) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (216,862) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 216,862 pot
    Final Board: 2 Q 4 J 3
    Hero showed 6 6 and lost (-105,231 net)
    SB showed J J and won 216,862 (111,631 net)



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    08-11-2015 , 05:39 PM
    Yes for me u can fold against a random villain. If u know he is tight u can definitively find a fold.

    U would be commited with less than 15BB.

    I would bet 8000 preflop.
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    08-11-2015 , 08:39 PM
    You can just complete here sometimes. As played fold to the 3b
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    08-11-2015 , 10:15 PM
    if a fairly tight opponenet 3bet you when you raise 3 big blinds, i think you can worry and fold your hand .
    I would recommand you to open 2 big blind, you will have a better risk reward
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    08-11-2015 , 10:16 PM
    12000 is huge. Bet less.
    The 3bet will also be smaller and it opens the door to call in position if you have no history with the player.
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    08-12-2015 , 09:54 AM
    Without other information, I would call or fold to the 3b in a $8. Once you open 3x, people are less likely to 3b light, so I would tend to fold marginal hands. He could just shove here, so I would also be a little concerned about the 3b. Also, would want to know opponent's 3b percentage or if a reg.
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    08-12-2015 , 11:05 AM
    really don't like the 3x pre, so inefficient IMO. Im folding here. this is marginal +EV if not -EV IMO and think you can find a better spot with 23BB. That is a very comfortable stack don't go crazy. I used to just play every PP like this thinking FE was much greater then it really was. Thats the thing about PP you really don't want action as at best you are flipping so all your profit comes from folds. I just think most people don't 3bet fold here often and its pretty hard for him to be 3betting worse. especially since villain has < 30BB. your 3x is also pretty strong. If villain is super agro just limp button (against the right player you can 3bet jam overtop of their raise if they attack your limp), if they are standard regs just minraise/fold.
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    08-12-2015 , 02:55 PM
    Why did you open 3x? any reason? ill consider fold just cos u opend 3x and get 3b from sb.
    Otherwise ill take limp/shove>min/call
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    08-12-2015 , 04:05 PM
    You have to ask yourself if your opponent would fold after 3 betting you.

    It kind of seems like he won't do that.. so there's not that much fold equity that you are gaining by going all in.

    If your opponent is reasonable, then you are very rarely ahead because he almost never will 3 bet with tiny pocket pairs because they are such weak hands.

    Of course, maybe you have some read.. like you have been involved with him before and think that maybe he will try to push a little harder to win a pot off of you for whatever reason.. that would be a different scenario. But you didn't mention any sort of read like that.

    If I were playing the hand, I would never call because I cannot make good decisions on the flop. I never know if I am ahead or behind.. if opponent can be pushed off his hand or not. I do not think you are deep enough to set mine.
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    08-12-2015 , 04:31 PM
    I would probably be 2x/folding this hand this hand vs unknown or passive/tight vill. If I would be 3x opening (like you did), I would be even more likely to fold since my perceived range is even stronger. Against a LAG I would consider a 3bet-jam but would probably find a tight fold.
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    08-12-2015 , 07:21 PM
    lol on min/fold... im a bit drunk and i find it very hilarious.
    Keep going folks
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    08-12-2015 , 11:47 PM
    Unless you have reason to believe he 3bets light, then just fold to the 3bet. Also I prefer min raising to a 3x open.
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    08-13-2015 , 01:57 PM
    The best play here is open shove, but it isn't used that much at low stakes. Minraise/reevaluate and limp/reevaluate are possible.

    3xBB is not a good play here. Once you 3x, you may be able to call a push from the BB due to pot odds. However, easy fold to the SB. People don't think you are folding after 3xing it, so are less likely to bluff. Also, I would give a player in a $8 credit for 3b bluffing without information on him.
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    08-13-2015 , 05:49 PM
    8164 has a little more fold equity I find.

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    08-14-2015 , 08:47 AM
    Fold
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    08-14-2015 , 08:48 AM
    Or if you know he is restealing a lot you can just limp/ call shove
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    08-17-2015 , 06:42 AM
    really close spot, obv like many others i prefer not 3xing. but since you have, i definitely think it's an easy fold. imo, opponents are less likely to steal via 3b if you 3x. If V is not regularly 3betting, i'd fold it and look for another spot
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