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03-22-2011 , 03:03 AM
What did I do wrong here? Villain had large pfr %, 0 fold to 3bet, new table only about 10 hands in. I think maybe I under-repped savagely but I would easily put him on an AK/AJ/AQ, underpair so was it wrong to call off here, and am I leaking? No cbet from him, maybe I should have anticipated this and lead in? Or even 3-bet hard?

PokerStars - $5+$0.50|12500/25000 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players

UTG+1: 302,477.00
MP: 699,813.00
MP+1: 908,671.00
LP: 421,028.00
CO: 426,166.00
BTN: 270,260.00
SB: 349,242.00
Hero (BB): 625,523.00
UTG: 373,090.00

UTG+1 posts ante 3,125.00, MP posts ante 3,125.00, MP+1 posts ante 3,125.00, LP posts ante 3,125.00, CO posts ante 3,125.00, BTN posts ante 3,125.00, SB posts ante 3,125.00, Hero posts ante 3,125.00, UTG posts ante 3,125.00, SB posts SB 12,500.00, Hero posts BB 25,000.00

Pre Flop: (65625.00) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, MP raises to 60,000.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 35,000.00

Flop: (160625.00, 2 players) 5 7 2
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (160625.00, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 74,999.00, MP raises to 636,688.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 487,399.00 and is all-in

River: (1285421.00, 2 players) 6

Hero shows Q Q (One Pair, Queens) (PreFlop 68%, Flop 81%, Turn 68%)
MP shows 9 A (Flush, Ace High) (PreFlop 32%, Flop 19%, Turn 32%)
MP wins 1,285,421.00
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03-22-2011 , 03:30 AM
3bet pre, lead the flop/get it in on the flop.
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03-22-2011 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by James Starkey
3bet pre, lead the flop/get it in on the flop.
+1

0 fold to 3 bet means you 3 bet with a strong hand

Always value bet when you (think you) have the best hand especially OOP. If you think he's gonna c-bet and you have a strong hand you WANT to lead into him to build a big pot.

Like said above bet the flop. If he reraises your value bet, reraise or flat is OK depending on if you think he'll call the reraise or not.

Turn call is not horrible.... sucks that he sucked out on you though.
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03-22-2011 , 10:18 AM
with this hand 3 bet pre all day especially against someone who won't fold. what do you expect but this if you don't??? and you want to have initiative in the pot against this opponent.
as played, bet flop plz.
turn, is just a bad beat story, but well played from his part he has a lot of equity, plus fold equity
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03-22-2011 , 12:07 PM
3bet/call pre and its not close

checking or leading is fine, hard to say since we can see the damn results.

turn is standard
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03-22-2011 , 12:21 PM
Def would have played more agressive.
3bet pre 2,5-3x and call if hes pushing.
Cbet flop 1/3-1/2 pot.
Shove turn.
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03-22-2011 , 01:03 PM
Gotta raise pre. I think you out thought yourself here. All of the mistakes stemmed from the smooth call preflop.
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03-29-2011 , 08:38 AM
Valuable input from everyone here, a lot of very good advice. I'll try to respond to a couple of posts but every one made great sense to me.
This was at the 6-7hr mark and was having difficulty ramping up the agression on new tables, as evidenced here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by XDRB
0 fold to 3 bet means you 3 bet with a strong hand

Always value bet when you (think you) have the best hand especially OOP. If you think he's gonna c-bet and you have a strong hand you WANT to lead into him to build a big pot.
This played in super fast motion for me, which could have contributed to my mistakes. As the hand played out I thought to myself "I shouldn't be building the pot in anticipation of having to check-fold to an overcard flop". Obvious scared play by myself!

Sometimes I find myself doing this in mid-tournament play against tight laggers, is this something to work on? Does this mean I should be check-folding the flop if overs turn up regardless of 3b pre?

Quote:
Originally Posted by foxracer662
Gotta raise pre. I think you out thought yourself here. All of the mistakes stemmed from the smooth call preflop.
Should I be concentrating more on making a 3b-continuation-turn continuation when I'm strong regardless? I find myself making a continuation against 1 opponent 99% of the time, so I see another big problem with how I played this out.

There must be a fine balance between donk agression and solid agression towards the end, and I've got to work on developing the cusp of it as evidenced by this boo-boo.
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03-29-2011 , 09:00 AM
3betting pre could put us in a tough spot on the flop (oop with 1 psb left) thats why i would prefer to just shove this pre (pot is already 125k / 20% of our stack).
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03-29-2011 , 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by you must e
What did I do wrong here?
Not a lot. You got it all in with 70% equity. This is a good thing. But it also means that 30% of the time you will lose. Such is poker.

You could have elected to 3bet pre, but with a hand as strong as QQ there is nothing wrong with flatting it preflop and playing OOP either.

You have QQ and 25 bb, so as long as you almost never fold, you'll be fine in the long run.
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03-29-2011 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamTrousers
You have QQ and 25 bb
I think pre was good, and for what it's worth, I would of jammed the flop here cause we are never folding with 25 bigs left behind, the results do not matter imo.

nh
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03-29-2011 , 11:38 AM
i think villain played his hand well fwiw. you did too, but i 3bet way more here then i don't
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