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Value bet or check behind? Value bet or check behind?

10-02-2016 , 10:44 AM
Hi, I am interested if you would value bet this river or check behind when the most obvious draw came. We are against unknown player - no reads.

    Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37445090

    MP3: 9,537 (95.4 bb)
    CO: 12,566 (125.7 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 7,549 (75.5 bb)
    SB: 11,742 (117.4 bb)
    BB: 4,990 (49.9 bb)
    UTG+1: 4,970 (49.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 5,665 (56.7 bb)
    MP1: 4,980 (49.8 bb)
    MP2: 4,749 (47.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
    4 folds, MP3 calls 100, CO folds, Hero raises to 500, SB calls 450, BB folds, MP3 calls 400

    Flop: (1,690) 6 K A (3 players)
    SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets 1,000, SB calls 1,000, MP3 folds

    Turn: (3,690) 5 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets 1,900, SB calls 1,900

    River: (7,490) 8 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero ???




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    10-02-2016 , 11:21 AM
    Bet 4500/F/cry a little
    Villain has a lot of AQ/J/10 type hands.. he's not check calling Ax of spades as u have the nut flush blocker..
    8s7s makes sense to me but the rivers 8s.. so can eliminate.
    QJss Q10ss probably aren't going away anytime soon
    Any sets are probably either x/r, x/c flop and x/r turns due too flush outs, and quite possibly playing fd's this way too.
    And then leading the river when they get there.

    So definitely betting river..
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    10-03-2016 , 12:16 AM
    Well played, I personally like every street. Maybe I'd stay a little bit on the larger side of the sizes flop and turn, since, at these levels, there are a lot of unelastic reacting players. River I'd like to bet around half pot for value: consider that, if oppo closes his draw, so many times (and at these levels it becomes more likely) he will strongly lead by itself; so, once he checks, most of the times you will feel safe to bet value against underpairs, some horrendous 6, and so on. Obv, it's an automatic b/fold, I can't see any odd bluff or overplaying OTR here.
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    10-03-2016 , 02:48 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KSCC
    Bet 4500/F/cry a little
    Hi,

    by the river the pot is 7500 and hero has only 4100 chips left. so this can't be good advice if my math hasn't let me down early in the morning. so villain might well be trapping here with his flush. alltough calling turn without the nutflushdraw seems bad. villains line without a flushdraw seems weird too, 66, A6 and maybe even Ax really want to raise on the flop, no?

    In a vacuum, I'm checking this behind cause I can't find a range that we beat and will call our river jam. Jamming this seems like a bluff to me that only might get his set of 6s to fold.
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    10-03-2016 , 08:22 AM
    Jam this river, especially since you hold A
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    10-03-2016 , 08:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nny
    Hi,

    by the river the pot is 7500 and hero has only 4100 chips left. so this can't be good advice if my math hasn't let me down early in the morning. so villain might well be trapping here with his flush. alltough calling turn without the nutflushdraw seems bad. villains line without a flushdraw seems weird too, 66, A6 and maybe even Ax really want to raise on the flop, no?

    In a vacuum, I'm checking this behind cause I can't find a range that we beat and will call our river jam. Jamming this seems like a bluff to me that only might get his set of 6s to fold.


    Excuse me, I overlooked sizes.. just jam then
    Spoiler:
    I will refrain from posting when I get back from the pub from now on
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    10-03-2016 , 11:13 AM
    Gotta jam river with blocker to ze flush.

    If you lost blame it on ze Germans.
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    10-03-2016 , 12:29 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem

    If you lost blame it on ze Germans.
    No I didn't lost In fact I jammed and he folded. But I tanked a little bit otr and was thinking if it's worth to gii. I guess at these stakes, there are lot of players who would call me with Ax, worse two pairs, maybe even Kx. I don't think he had 66, probably would've raised me otf or ott and having the flush I expect him to bet river first most often.

    Anyways thanks for your feedback guys
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    10-03-2016 , 02:37 PM
    Is villain really calling from sb here w a8 or a worse two pair hand? I don't see any hands that call this value bet here except maybe Aq. I'm talking the low variance play and checking back especially if I like my edge against the field.
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    10-03-2016 , 03:30 PM
    I would check back this river simply because being check raised puts me in a impossible spot. You got a lot of good value by betting the flop and turn, so I don't think you are giving up any value by checking the end.
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    10-03-2016 , 03:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jbgutrock
    I would check back this river simply because being check raised puts me in a impossible spot. You got a lot of good value by betting the flop and turn, so I don't think you are giving up any value by checking the end.
    If I had more chips, sure. But here I'm the effective stack with 4100 when the pot on the river is 7500
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    10-03-2016 , 04:32 PM
    I think we are missing lots of value by checking back - people just love to call down in in a $3 tournament - we will get lots of from unbelieving Ax and weaker 2p hands -
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    10-03-2016 , 06:11 PM
    Standard Jam.. Especially holding the nut spade
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    10-04-2016 , 05:47 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    Gotta jam river with blocker to ze flush.

    If you lost blame it on ze Germans.
    Ban imo

    Would check it behind op. Straight and flush and missplayed sets are possible and Ax is folding on river
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    10-04-2016 , 06:02 AM
    Blame it on Furo
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    10-04-2016 , 10:08 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glaciem
    Blame it on Furo
    Pls ban.
    My gefühlings are hurtz
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    10-04-2016 , 10:37 AM
    lol @ jam wtf is going on here

    snap check behind, you are much less likely to get value from worse when that card peels as its a scare card for him
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    10-05-2016 , 02:04 PM
    Not overly worried about a flush here. A lot of the reasonable flush combos are blocked, leaving QJss and JTss as the most likely FD combos. Furthermore, these combos may have check-raised semibluffed flop or turn, and/or may have led into us OTR.

    But even though I doubt vill has a flush I still x-behind here and avoid busting with a non-nutted hand. We got good value OTF and OTT. If we were way deepers, I would advocate a value bet OTR and folding to a x/jam. But with stacks this short by the river, just x-behind.

    Last edited by SetSetter; 10-05-2016 at 02:11 PM.
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