Hey all, been playing a fair bit lately and i just wanted some guidance on whether these shoves are too loose from utg/EP, or too early in relation to stack sizes. Following the rule of thumb anything below 10-14bbs just shoving off bat.

Here they are:

PokerStars Hand #91062128042: Tournament #661064384, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2012/12/20 16:44:09 ET
Table '661064384 16' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Takezo1980 (1575 in chips)
Seat 2: boone79s (1485 in chips)
Seat 3: heatbr (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: Raoul Vegas (1435 in chips)
Seat 5: ChelooAK (2665 in chips)
Seat 6: Asgamen (2030 in chips)
Seat 7: good egg son (1635 in chips)
Seat 8: winklertom (3310 in chips)
Seat 9: ngergo (2895 in chips)
ChelooAK: posts small blind 75
Asgamen: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to good egg son [8c 8d]
good egg son: raises 1485 to 1635 and is all-in

Left out what happens after (I win here as it goes, but that's neither here nor there)


PokerStars Hand #91062065279: Tournament #661066372, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2012/12/20 16:43:04 ET
Table '661066372 12' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Wimmeros (3735 in chips)
Seat 2: Sylph85 (2440 in chips)
Seat 3: good egg son (1715 in chips)
Seat 4: ppmaster (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: wolfywolves7 (2580 in chips)
Seat 6: shisco888 (2330 in chips)
Seat 7: CattyWompuss (1770 in chips)
Seat 8: gyumo34 (1050 in chips)
Seat 9: FlaringAces (1430 in chips)
gyumo34: posts small blind 75
FlaringAces: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to good egg son [7h 7s]
Wimmeros: folds
Sylph85: folds
good egg son: raises 1565 to 1715 and is all-in
ppmaster: folds
wolfywolves7: folds
shisco888: folds
CattyWompuss: folds
gyumo34: calls 975 and is all-in
FlaringAces: folds



Thanks in advance

bottom of range i would shove for both.

Thank you, to clarify, are you saying by bottom of range, you are shoving? Or is it a toss up?

yes, 88+ in first one, 77+ second

No issue with these hands.

Shoving all flipping day with that stack.

my bottom range to shove 33, KJ suited, A9 suited please tell me if its too loose

Shoving both of those with only 10ish blinds.

Not sure I would go so far as to shove 33+ here, but I'm definitely shoving with stacks like this any time I get a hand with any decent equity. But A9s, maybe as low as A7s, KJs, maybe even KQo, and 44+ or 55+, its all about getting those chips in and flipping if you have to.

Way too loose with no ante. OP's examples are very close.

yeah, shoving both

yeah that range is not even close. should reflect on how your shoving range does vs the avg calling range (ie what you [considering yourself a decent reg]) would call in a spot if ep shoved on you, and expand your shoving range based on that