Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Turn play? Turn play?

04-15-2008 , 01:05 AM
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP2: t33994
CO: t38574
BTN: t35561
Hero (SB): t28353
BB: t24680
UTG: t53808
UTG+1: t28459
UTG+2: t30949
MP1: t28550

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 7 A
4 folds, MP2 calls t1600, 2 folds, Hero calls t800, BB checks

Flop: (t6150) 4 A 6 (3 players)
Hero bets t3300, BB folds, MP2 calls t3300

Turn: (t12750) T (2 players)
Hero ?
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 03:10 AM
checks with the intent to c/r AI if MP2 bets...
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 03:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by erc007
checks with the intent to c/r AI if MP2 bets...
+1
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 04:22 AM
forgot to mention that i wouldn't lead this flop very often either...
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by erc007
forgot to mention that i wouldn't lead this flop very often either...
I wanted to get an idea of where i'm at and I really don't like giving a free card on this board.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by erc007
forgot to mention that i wouldn't lead this flop very often either...
this isn't me being a smartass, b/c i'm serious:

so you don't wanna bet b/c you're afraid you may be beat, but are willing to put them allin if your oppoenent bets?

is this b/c you think he'll bet wide range (much of which you can fold out)?
and/or b/c you believe that if you bet and are raised you're drawing dead to 9 outs but will be forced to get the money in anyhow?
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by erc007
forgot to mention that i wouldn't lead this flop very often either...
Quote:
Originally Posted by ECJENSEN56
I wanted to get an idea of where i'm at and I really don't like giving a free card on this board.
I agree with ECJENSEN.

A bet might take it down right there.... with this hand and that board, that would be my goal. And If it didn't take it down, it could give you some info...
and maybe let you get out of this with some chips left.

If he calls, then you can make your plan based on the turn....

A 7 is a a crappy hand. Period.
If villain shoves here, I lay it down.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 12:23 PM
I actually think the proper play is to fold this hand preflop. Playing A7o (a weak hand), OOP, against 2 villians, is a losing propositon. Alot of players have huge leaks in their games by calling too much from the blinds.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 12:29 PM
Fold pre. Raise or fold flop (really just fold). Check raising the turn is pretty terrible. If villians bet a standard 10k pot sized bet we only beat a bluff, have no fold equity, and will only improve on the river ~ 20% of the time.

If you are going to do anything other than check/fold, bet/shove turn as a semi bluff so at least you have fold equity.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalinoth
I actually think the proper play is to fold this hand preflop. Playing A7o (a weak hand), OOP, against 2 villians, is a losing propositon. Alot of players have huge leaks in their games by calling too much from the blinds.
I am not sure I agree that a fold is correct, its only half a bet to call and A7 reasonable hand against 1 late limper and BB.

On the flop I am leaning towards a bigger bet, I just don't see MP2 limping a bigger A than us, I don't think we ever make more more money on the hand I am happy to bet near the pot and try to win 3 BB's there and then.

As played I think this is totally read dependant on the turn, do you think the player is capable of floating and bluffing the turn with air. Is he LAG and will bluff any checked action or does he play tighter and need a hand to bet. I am comfortable with a check / fold on the turn as this is a VERY marginal spot to start risking your stack.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 12:37 PM
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot with top pair crap kicker.
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot with TPTK
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot without the near-nuts.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brad2002tj
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot with top pair crap kicker.
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot with TPTK
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot without the near-nuts.
I wish someone had given me this advice a year ago.....
It would've saved me a LOT of grief.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brad2002tj
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot with top pair crap kicker.
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot with TPTK
[X] Don't go broke in a limped pot without the near-nuts.
we're not deep enough for 'don't go broke in a limped pot' logic to apply.

folding pf is still best. crai the turn.
Turn play? Quote
04-15-2008 , 10:27 PM
Thanks for the replies, have to disagree with folding pre flop however. I think the only decision is whether or not to raise to isolate but folding is very weak considering the odds given. Forgot to mention 100ante in play.

Last edited by ECJENSEN56; 04-15-2008 at 10:50 PM.
Turn play? Quote
04-16-2008 , 10:19 AM
With antes in play as well you are laid 12 to 1 on a pre flop call pricing you in with any two cards so a fold is clearly incorrect provided you have the discipline to fold if you miss the flop.

As for whether a raise is correct, I think the antes really do change the dynamic here, when the action gets to you there is about 1/6th of your stack sitting in the middle, vs one limper and the BB I think this is the perfect spot to steal. Its spots like this that help to grow your stack with minimal risk. I like a 4x raise or so and take the pot down.
Turn play? Quote
04-16-2008 , 10:49 AM
Quote:
I like a 4x raise or so and take the pot down
With antes, I'd try a steal here, too.
Raise pre to around 6-7k.

As played I also tend to cr/ai.
Turn play? Quote
04-16-2008 , 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ECJENSEN56
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP2: t33994
CO: t38574
BTN: t35561
Hero (SB): t28353
BB: t24680
UTG: t53808
UTG+1: t28459
UTG+2: t30949
MP1: t28550

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 7 A
4 folds, MP2 calls t1600, 2 folds, Hero calls t800, BB checks

Flop: (t6150) 4 A 6 (3 players)
Hero bets t3300, BB folds, MP2 calls t3300

Turn: (t12750) T (2 players)
Hero ?

i would check the turn and try for a free card...depending on player type tho
Turn play? Quote

      
m