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02-20-2009 , 09:07 PM

benza13

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really early, no reads

Full Tilt Poker $32,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 44736
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CO: t3040 M = 101.33
BTN: t2950 M = 98.33
SB: t2980 M = 99.33
BB: t3000 M = 100
UTG: t2980 M = 99.33
UTG+1: t3000 M = 100
Hero (UTG+2): t3000 M = 100
MP1: t3050 M = 101.67
MP2: t3000 M = 100

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG+2 with T

2 folds, Hero raises to t60, 3 folds, BTN raises to t240, 2 folds, Hero calls t180

Flop: (t510) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks

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02-20-2009 , 09:19 PM

mement_mori

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c-c

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02-20-2009 , 09:23 PM

benza13

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k, i'll just put this in now, we check call 340, turn is an offsuit 3...

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02-21-2009 , 02:54 AM

ssnyc

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c/c one more resonable bet...

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02-21-2009 , 03:10 AM

OkTime4PlanB

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Originally Posted by benza13

k, i'll just put this in now, we check call 340, turn is an offsuit 3...

snap fold turn

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02-21-2009 , 03:52 AM

andy099

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Originally Posted by OkTime4PlanB

snap fold turn

this isn't stars we can't fold before they bet.

id also probably fold pre but as played i would fold turn to a double barrel

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02-21-2009 , 03:57 AM

OkTime4PlanB

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i don't mind set mining pre, i personally fold flop here though as well.

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02-21-2009 , 05:53 AM

MasterAsylum

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Set mine, no gems, abandon the empty mine. Nothing on that flop was extremely friendly to you. I guess if you tagged the 8 for a straight you'd be fine but w/ that flop 1 of your tens isn't an out and the other is likely an out for a straight against. Its a def fold turn.

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02-21-2009 , 06:18 PM

WhiteIronBand

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I don't mind the call pre flop. If you hit a set and he's got aces or kings, you will likely stack him. I like to lead out on the flop 2/3 pot. If he's got an overpair bigger than yours he will reraise and you can fold. I don't like the check call. No information is gained. What is your plan for the turn in that scenario? Anyone else like the lead out on the flop?

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02-21-2009 , 06:24 PM

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WhiteIronBand

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02-21-2009 , 06:31 PM

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ssnyc

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why would you lead out here and turn a hand with so much showdown value into a bluff?

I mean we often have the best hand and we have a redraw...

leading with the intent to fold is not really giving out hand the credit it deserves

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02-21-2009 , 06:33 PM

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Cynosarges

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Ugh. If we call PF then I don't know what flop we're hoping for if we don't bet this flop. If the only flop we're happy with includes a 10 then we should fold PF. I personallly would fold PF early.

If we assume that we've called PF then I don't know what c/c acheives but I'd like to here what others have to say.

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02-21-2009 , 07:36 PM

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SoundSpeed

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If you lead the flop and get raised I assume you are folding, so in a sense you are just probe betting. Many good aggressive players will raise a lead with anything they raised/3 bet pre with so your hand becomes a bluff by leading. If your opponent is straightforward then a lead can be correct.

Set mine pre, fold on the flop. If opponent is more passive you can peel the flop, but an aggressive player will put you to the test on the flop and turn, so why go through that OOP.

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02-21-2009 , 08:05 PM

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Willyoman

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Originally Posted by OkTime4PlanB

i don't mind set mining pre, i personally fold flop here though as well.

Wait, really? Everyone here is folding this flop? Wow, c-betting rocks.

Seriously, it's not a terrible flop for us (unless you have read villain's soul and know he has 1 of 4 hands), and villain is c-betting this flop, oh, I'd guess precisely 100% of the time.

We have to check call this flop and play later streets and see how cheaply we can get to show-down.

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02-21-2009 , 08:57 PM

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TravisVOX

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I don't think I would never think of leading out into whatever this villain might be holding on the flop. I try and check/call as many reasonable bets as possible, hopefully slow him down, and see him flip over AK, AQ, AJ... stuff like that. If he doesn't slow down, I'm beat.

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02-21-2009 , 10:30 PM

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WhiteIronBand

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Again, the reasons I favor leading out - one, if he flat calls I expect he has ace king, ace queen etc. If he reraises we can assume a big overpair and confidently fold. If we check call, we have no information regarding what to do on the turn. Alternatively, let's just say he flats us on the flop, if a blank comes on the turn I fire another bullet, 2/3 pot. Hopefully he folds, but if not, we are no worse off then if we check called. Thoughts?

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02-21-2009 , 11:55 PM

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SoundSpeed

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Originally Posted by WhiteIronBand

This is very opponent specific. Against strong aggressive players your lead has turned your hand into a bluff.

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02-22-2009 , 12:02 AM

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brad2002tj

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Fold flop amirite.

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02-22-2009 , 05:24 AM

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mement_mori

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c-f flop is pretty bad imo, just fold the turn though.

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02-22-2009 , 07:34 AM

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The_Jeebus

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gah I probably go calling station here and c/c flop, maybe c/f or c/c turn depending on bet size

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