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01-26-2014 , 02:55 AM
Villain is a reg 33/18/2 with 7% 3b (139 hands), his sharkscope stats are quite bad.
I'm not sure he's able to do things too crazy with the effective stack.
My line was 4b/f here what do you guys doing in this spot?

Winamax - €9+€1|75/150 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 19,183
BB: 20,000
UTG: 40,927
CO: 18,500
BTN: 44,083

Hero posts SB 75, BB posts BB 150

Pre Flop: (pot: 225) Hero has T T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 375, BB raises to 1,125, Hero ?
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01-26-2014 , 03:15 AM
theres really no option....


flop?
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01-26-2014 , 03:26 AM
4b/f seems petty bad with such a strong hand BvB against an aggro villain. Alternatively we're likely to be only flipping at best with 4b/gii for over 100+ BB's.

Agree to flat the 3b.
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01-26-2014 , 03:19 PM
yeah flatting the 3bet sounds about right , only downfall will be we will folding our hand if we dont make our set.

if we have an overpair we can float with our hand but it will tough oop , we are only likely to give up ott as they can be representing hands like jj+ which they may be looking to get 3 streets of value with it.....

obv bvb we arent ever folding 10s here, and 4bet gii with 100bb+ just seems so spewy to flip wtih or even worse be dominated by a higher pocket pair.

so ya like the others have said above me , call and re-evaluate otf
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01-26-2014 , 04:26 PM
~grunch~

A little more information would be helpful. How long have you been to his left. How does he see you as a player. Have you been raising his blinds every time?

as played:

I call his three bet and see the flop. HU, your hand in is in the top 10%, so I am not giving up yet.

If I have an overpair to the flop, I lead out again, about t1200. If an overcard come, I just check and lean toward giving up on the hand.
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01-27-2014 , 01:23 AM
why would you lead?

also no reason to just fold flops you miss..
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01-27-2014 , 06:04 AM
History with villain matters, but it's blind v blind. A lot of BBs are going to have like 50% air in their 3bet range here. And if you clickback 4bet, I'm sure you'll have more than coinflip equity against his shove range if he's aggro or if you have history. People will get in with 77 here or A9o or plain 53o (happened to me the other day) a lot just because they never believe the SB can have a hand. Against a solid-tight nit, I'd be way more cautious, but if you've been raising the SB regularly, you almost have the nuts here.
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01-27-2014 , 10:05 PM
@kamikaze

leading out will be horrible with 10s even on say a 5 2 9 flop , if we lead out we are only likely to be called by better hands or maybe even raised. obv its opponent dependent like u said ,for instance hero is on the sb and u have a nit 3betting you , you be more likely to flat the 3bet rather then 4bet.

also it depends on how Villian perceives you right? if u have been opening up a lot to steal pots or u have had a good run of cards v will prolly play back at you lighter to defend meaning they may 3bet with lesser hands like a10s+ 77+ qjs+ from th
e bb.

i just think being so deep flatting is the most appropriate play ....

with a hands like 10s , i just don;t see how GII is profitable being so deep and all? unless u knew v was a total bad player then maybe....

even then its a bit MEH....no need to put 100bigs in jeopardy, that's the point im trying to make lol

Last edited by all_in_pockets; 01-27-2014 at 10:18 PM.
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01-27-2014 , 10:08 PM
its not at all profitable to gii here

seriously, theres no option. flat, check 95% of flops
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01-27-2014 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by all_in_pockets
@kamikaze

leading out will be horrible with 10s even on say a 5 2 9 flop
I'm not sure why you direct this comment to me. I didn't say anything about postflop play here.

And gambonee, in some dynamics it's going to be wildly profitable to get in with TT, and in some it's going to be completely terrible. It depends a lot on villain.
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01-27-2014 , 10:57 PM
4b/6b lol
or just flat and check/call lots of flops
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01-27-2014 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kamikaze baby
I'm not sure why you direct this comment to me. I didn't say anything about postflop play here.



And gambonee, in some dynamics it's going to be wildly profitable to get in with TT, and in some it's going to be completely terrible. It depends a lot on villain.

for instance against a maniac?
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01-28-2014 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kamikaze baby
I'm not sure why you direct this comment to me. I didn't say anything about postflop play here.

And gambonee, in some dynamics it's going to be wildly profitable to get in with TT, and in some it's going to be completely terrible. It depends a lot on villain.
i mean you need to give him a horribly wide range to make it anywhere near good 100+ deep. if he's 3b considerably wider than he 5b, why do you want to fold ~half his air? just play postflop. i would flat jj/ak vs nearly everyone and even qq vs most. just let him play horribly post instead of looking to flip at best

SB 58.23% 57.70% 0.53% TT
BB 41.77% 41.24% 0.53% 77+, A8s+, KJs+, T9s, 87s, 76s, A8o+, KJo+

Last edited by gamboneee; 01-28-2014 at 12:52 AM. Reason: suiteds are ~air combos
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01-28-2014 , 01:03 AM
Flat and see three
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