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Tough spot with river straight Tough spot with river straight

02-12-2017 , 09:25 AM
PokerStars $100+$9 USD Holdem No limit - Nivå XI (250/500) + 50 ante

UTG: (15876 chips)
SB: (40585 chips)
Hero (BB): (21694 chips)

Hero [9h Ks]

UTG: raise 600 to 1100
SB: call 850
Hero: call 600

*** FLOPP *** [7h Td Tc]
SB: check
Hero: check
UTG: check

*** TURN *** [7h Td Tc] [Qs]
SB: check
Hero: check
UTG: check

*** RIVER *** [7h Td Tc Qs] [Js]
SB: check
Hero: bet 2500
UTG: raise to 14726 all-in
SB: fold
Hero: ?

What would you do here? The UTG-player is very strong representing AK which beats our straight (or possibly JJ if he plays that way?) . The problem with just throughing the hand away is that we would through away our entire range and never call. K9 is the strongest holding we could possible have here since trips or fh:s would lead turn. Any thoughts?
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02-12-2017 , 09:50 AM
Welcome to the forums! Why are we not bluffing turn?
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02-12-2017 , 12:15 PM
Why should we?
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02-12-2017 , 12:22 PM
Because we have equity vs hands we lose to and can fold out better. I'm not saying its necessary to bet every bluff again on the river, but this looks like a clear bet to me.
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02-12-2017 , 02:02 PM
I was considering bluffing the turn, but concluded that there would be to many calls here. Lets say the UTG-player has an opening range of [55+, a10+, a9s, kq, qjs, kjs] and also sometimes also opens [10-9s, 89s, a5s]. The small blind calling range would be a something around [66-jj, aq-a10, kq, qjs, j10s].

Then after the flop let's say that UTG c-bets

Almost always: jj, 99, 88, 98, kq, kj, qj
Often: 55-66, qq, a10, j10, 10-9
Half of the time: 77, aa-kk, ak-aj, a9, a5
Seldom: 1010

This guy will call a turn bluff with a queen or better and fold all weaker hand, exept for maybe an open ender that he picked up on the turn.
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The small blind will lead the turn with trip tens or better and some open enders. Then he will check-call anything between a pair of queens and trip tens. He will fold all weaker hands
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All in all I think that the turn bluff generates to few folds for it to be profitable. The bluff could be profitable against one opponent but not two, on a board like that.
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02-12-2017 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by banne1992
I was considering bluffing the turn, but concluded that there would be to many calls here. Lets say the UTG-player has an opening range of [55+, a10+, a9s, kq, qjs, kjs] and also sometimes also opens [10-9s, 89s, a5s]. The small blind calling range would be a something around [66-jj, aq-a10, kq, qjs, j10s].



Then after the flop let's say that UTG c-bets



Almost always: jj, 99, 88, 98, kq, kj, qj

Often: 55-66, qq, a10, j10, 10-9

Half of the time: 77, aa-kk, ak-aj, a9, a5

Seldom: 1010



This guy will call a turn bluff with a queen or better and fold all weaker hand, exept for maybe an open ender that he picked up on the turn.

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The small blind will lead the turn with trip tens or better and some open enders. Then he will check-call anything between a pair of queens and trip tens. He will fold all weaker hands

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All in all I think that the turn bluff generates to few folds for it to be profitable. The bluff could be profitable against one opponent but not two, on a board like that.


does that mean that you dont have a bluffing range ott? does that mean that you dont have a leading range at all ott?
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02-13-2017 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gregz41
Because we have equity vs hands we lose to and can fold out better. I'm not saying its necessary to bet every bluff again on the river, but this looks like a clear bet to me.
but we also cant bet every semibluff ott and our outs aren`t clean and he will have some traps on that texture 3way
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02-13-2017 , 01:26 AM
Hello, Unless I'm sure that villain wouldn't semi bluff with AK on the flop and the river, I would assume that he simply doesn't have it, and call the all-in. But maybe I'm wrong so I'm asking;
I almost always Cbet that flop with AK after getting check, check by the blinds. Is it wrong to expect the same from the villain here? Or is it maybe wrong to cbet that flop with AK? I almost always cbet a paired flop with 2 overcards since it's difficult for my opponents to have connected.
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