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07-25-2018 , 04:16 PM
$550 live tourney, blinds are 400/800 + BB ante of 800. I have ~45k (55BB) and villain has about the same.

I'm UTG with 88. I open to $2,000. Villain flats on the button.

Pot is $6,000 and we see a flop of 6810. I lead for $2,500 and villain calls.

Pot is $11,000 and we see a turn of 9. I lead for $4,500. Villain calls.

Pot is now $20,000, effective stacks are around ~$36k. We see a river of 7. I check and villain bets $7,500.

Hero?

I would appreciate thoughts on each street. Thanks!
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07-25-2018 , 04:20 PM
Additional info: From what I can tell, villain is a strong player. He is not a regular where I play but I have seen him before. I was just moved to this table in this particular tourney and don't have much of a sample on him other than his mannerisms, RFI, positional play, etc. to indicate he is a competent player.
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07-25-2018 , 04:27 PM
Probably call river as played, and hate my life.

I think preflop is fine, flop and turn I definitely go bigger.

What jacks do you think he has here? Really only JT and J9, and a plethora of bluffs to get you off half the pot.
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07-25-2018 , 05:26 PM
you shouldn’t have a betting range ott after opening utg. flop sizing is also rly bad.
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07-25-2018 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by daviid
you shouldn’t have a betting range ott after opening utg. flop sizing is also rly bad.
That's a good point. Would you be check-calling turn? River?

Would your sizing be larger? and why?
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07-25-2018 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rbbeagles13
Probably call river as played, and hate my life.

I think preflop is fine, flop and turn I definitely go bigger.

What jacks do you think he has here? Really only JT and J9, and a plethora of bluffs to get you off half the pot.
I think a good number of his flush draws include a J. AJ, KJ, QJ. I think JJ is a decent possibility here as well.

My rationale for small sizing on the flop is that I want to keep in his overs with backdoor (ie. his QJ, KJ, AJ, etc.). A large bet gets rid of those hands right?

TBH I probably should have considered my turn play a bit better. I think a check may have been a better play.
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07-25-2018 , 08:13 PM
Pre is fine, bigger flop.

Think we have to bet turn. Yeah, villain has some 7x and maybe 99 sometimes, but also has tons of draws, top pair and two pair hands that'll continue. Unless we don't think our opponent is ever calling with naked Jx here I can't see how betting turn would be that bad.

River is gross. Villain should now show up here with Jx quite a bit (especially if he's peeling a lot of flops and turns). Unless he's betting closer to 100% of his range on the river I'm not sure you're getting the right price to chop.

Last edited by jpgiro; 07-25-2018 at 08:18 PM.
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07-26-2018 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jpgiro
Unless he's betting closer to 100% of his range on the river I'm not sure you're getting the right price to chop.
That was kind of my thinking as well. If the 6 is, say, the 5 instead, and there's a 4-card straight on board, and I can scoop the whole pot if he doesn't have a J, then I think I'm more likely to call. But knowing that it's only a chop if I'm right with the straight on board, and with how many Jx I think he has, folding seems best.
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07-28-2018 , 06:07 AM
If he wanted to put you in a really gross spot and get you off a chop he could have bet bigger.
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