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02-11-2015 , 08:18 PM
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No info on villain, except that he's Greek (read: stubborn as a mule) - I don't use a HUD. In a vacuum, should I continue here?


    Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34820821

    BTN: 10,043 (25.1 bb)
    SB: 10,960 (27.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): 11,085 (27.7 bb)
    UTG+1: 29,861 (74.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 34,981 (87.5 bb)
    MP1: 9,362 (23.4 bb)
    MP2: 3,665 (9.2 bb)
    MP3: 5,550 (13.9 bb)
    CO: 21,876 (54.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
    5 folds, CO raises to 844, BTN calls 844, SB folds, Hero calls 444

    Flop: (3,182) Q 8 3 (3 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 1,650, Hero calls 1,650, CO folds

    Turn: (6,482) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets 4,800, Hero ???



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    02-11-2015 , 09:02 PM
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    Place all of your betting discs into the center of the table
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    02-11-2015 , 11:52 PM
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    I might c/jam the flop, there is 5k in the middle and he has 7500 behind
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    02-12-2015 , 03:14 AM
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    Shove pre seems fine also.
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    02-12-2015 , 07:40 AM
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    get it in, shoving flop is ok too given the size of the pot
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    02-12-2015 , 09:21 AM
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    Quote:
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    Place all of your betting discs into the center of the table
    This! There's different options pre and flop, but as long you don't include folding in those options its all good.
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    02-12-2015 , 12:13 PM
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    Quote:
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    I might c/jam the flop, there is 5k in the middle and he has 7500 behind
    This...
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    02-13-2015 , 08:51 PM
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    shove pre
    shove now

    You're doing yourself a dis-service by not having tracking software. If you can play $5 tournies you should be able to afford one.
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    02-15-2015 , 05:40 AM
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    Thanks for responses guys. I felt shoving 28BB pre was a bit of an overbet with KQ.

    x/jam on the flop was a legit move here but I wanted to extract more value from button.
    It looks like a pretty straightforward jam OTT but his bet felt really strong. I couldn't lay it dlown and this is what happened:


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      Turn: (6,482) 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets 4,800, Hero raises to 8,541 and is all-in, BTN calls 2,699 and is all-in

      River: (21,480) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 21,480 pot
      Final Board: Q 8 3 5 4
      BTN showed 8 8 and won 21,480 (11,437 net)
      Hero showed Q K and lost (-10,043 net)



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      Obv this is a narrow part of his range but I just wanted to see if there was any way of finding a fold here.
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      02-15-2015 , 11:21 AM
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      I like c/shove on the flop. The pot is big enough, and being the caller preflop, it is likely villain bets with almost anything.
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      02-15-2015 , 02:13 PM
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      Quote:
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      Obv this is a narrow part of his range but I just wanted to see if there was any way of finding a fold here.
      there was not. if your goal when you check ott is to extract more value from button, how can you even consider folding when he puts out the bet you're hoping for?? You're basically saying you checked turn because you feel he bets again with a worse range than your hand...but then once he bets you want to fold (!). I understand the sizing is pretty suspicious but you have to go with your hand at this point. With these stack sizes, if you're going to just flat otf with such a strong holding in hopes he continues, you can't be folding at any point in the hand no matter the exact action that occurs
      Last edited by RalphWaldoEmerson; 02-15-2015 at 02:20 PM.
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      02-15-2015 , 03:18 PM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
      there was not. if your goal when you check ott is to extract more value from button, how can you even consider folding when he puts out the bet you're hoping for?? You're basically saying you checked turn because you feel he bets again with a worse range than your hand...but then once he bets you want to fold (!). I understand the sizing is pretty suspicious but you have to go with your hand at this point. With these stack sizes, if you're going to just flat otf with such a strong holding in hopes he continues, you can't be folding at any point in the hand no matter the exact action that occurs
      This. The only decision about this hand is when are you putting all your chips in the middle. Looks like he just had it, gg unfortunate
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