I just read the article about table selection of sizzlinbetta and i have some questions.In the article the author claims that we need players to have an average -11% roi for us to start making money in sngs.I play on ongame network and unfortunately the structure is 70/30.Lets say i must table select in order to have some profits.Ongame has 5 max so we need a sum of -46% roi
in order to be a little bit profitable

22$ sngs 10$ rake 10$/4 people=2.5$/person, 2.5$/22$ of the tourney=11.5% roi so we need to have 4 people with -11.5% roi so -46% roi in total

even if we join a game with these 4 persons

1)-10%
2)-10%
3)-10%
4)+5%

the three players will be loosing 2.2$/tour and the winning player will be earn 1.1$/tour
so (3*-2.2)+1.1=-5.5 the rake is 10$ and the players are loosing 5.5$ so we are loosing 4.5$/tour.Am i wrong in my conclusion that even if we have 3 -10% roi players it is unprofitable to join this game because we are loosing 4.5$/tour if we are a breakeven player or i made any mistake in my calculations?

I think the problem is the ROI isn't constant between games so it's not really a good way of calculating things.

eg: the -10% lifetime ROI players above will prolly have less than -10% expectation for that game, and their lifetime ROI will have come from playing in other more fishy games that have much looser players in.

Juk

if it came from much loose player then more than -10% something like -15%

I would pay you good money if you could find me such tables at Ongame at $22+ BI.

you can

I think your calculation is wrong, looks like you've added the rake twice.

Jhub3000 blog covers this stuff in a lot of detail, I'd be interested in the link to sizzlinbettas article too.

I don't know how much money ongame guys get from rakeback but I'd be desperately clicking register if the game you described ever appeared on stars (never gonna happen).

^same for ongame. Even just one big time loser is very rare.

y but there are tons of -5% or -10%


can i have the link of Jhub3000?the rake is 10$ 20+2$

^tons? I'm intersted. Besides you are talking about microstakes.

there you go:
http://jhub3000.livejournal.com/84368.html

you can get 100% rb (or at least 80% if you are lazy in terms of raking) on ongame, so all those calculations are pointless
if you think you are better than player field - you will make money.
if you dont think you are better than avg field of players - move down/quit 5man sngs.

In 5max Sngs table selection is super important. You need some megafish who have -30% Roi or something. In the Lowlevels i had allways 1-3 Players at the table who where superbad with Rois like -30% or even worse.