No specific reads other than the caller in the BB was a spewtard, but he's not involved here. Opted not to 3bet the JJ pre since I would be put to a tough decision if the preflop aggressor decided to 4bet or shove. Repopped the flop to take it down on a low card flop assuming it was likely the bet there was just a cbet. Then I get shoved on. Call or fold?

PS - Yes, Fizix, I should have thought about what I would do against a shove before I raised on the flop.

Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t8135 M = 36.16
Hero (BTN): t16950 M = 75.33
SB: t15540 M = 69.07
BB: t9875 M = 43.89
UTG: t12275 M = 54.56
UTG+1: t10900 M = 48.44
UTG+2: t9775 M = 43.44
MP1: t9675 M = 43
MP2: t6875 M = 30.56

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with J J
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to t450, 2 folds, CO calls t450, Hero calls t450, 1 fold, BB calls t300

Flop: (t1875) 7 3 2 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets t777, CO calls t777, Hero raises to t1900, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, CO raises to t7685 all in, Hero ?

Fold. I suspect villain has a set of 3s.

nh...do not fold too much $$ in pot to fold

shove
next time raise pf to avoid this

raise pre

fold flop u are losing to a set of 3s imo

Okay, let's assume for the sake of argument that you don't know villain's actual holding. What range do you put him on here?

And flatting vs. calling pre - thoughts?

33 for sure.

his range is going to include a hell of a lot of draws he kind of flipped over his hand when he just flatted with you behind he has either a nut draw or a set but your play is very reasonable all things considered it's very risky though because you only flatted pf so the range of hands you have to beat is wider but the pot is so big that he will be shoving all his draws here so you are behind his range but again...it's too big of a pot to fold but this is what happens when you flat...you can 3bet pf too or flat for value when you run good you pick the right choice and get lucky

you can also flat the turn and peel there but you wanted to protect and charge so it's ok all around a high risk play that didn't work out this time but in the long run one that will show a profit

It depends. Depends on whether villain is loose and if he's likely to call the 3-bet. Also, I don't like the multipot that much and because of that I would be hesitant putting it all in. A multiway pot means people who set/draw mine; the more the likelier someone hit.

Preflop raiser probably has something like 66+ KQ+, cutoff's gotta have something like 44-88, KQ-AJ, I think he'd reraise 99+ and AQ+, you definitely gotta reraise from the button preflop to shut out the blinds and take control of the pot.

Why did you raise flop? In my mind, it's close --- I'd be curious to hear why you thought it was the best line.

I raised the flop because it was just about the best possible one for JJ one could hope for (all unders) but a lot of turns and rivers would be pretty bad in terms of hitting someone's range. I figured if the OR was just throwing out a standard cbet they may fold if they were playing high cards that missed, same with the flatter if he was floating. Read wise I'd say neither had been seriously aggressive or out of line, I had seen the OR bet/fold on the flop before which is another reason I tried it. As for the flatter, he'd seemed pretty standard as well, which should have tipped me off that his shove was the nuts, but I didn't think it that far in advance (bad me) and just remembered all the times I had seen that sort of a shove with 88-TT or TP.

I mean does the guy only do this with a set or can overpairs be in his range? Because if his range is TT-77,33-22 it's a snap call.

Against a random I'd say 88-TT, maybe even 66 is in the range. Against this specific villain, unknown.

he never has nothing when he flats with you behind him and then re-raises he either has a draw or a made hand and the made hand is going to be stronger than yours a lot but you had to raise the flop to charge all the draws there...the flat pf, raise flop line is golden because not all of the hands he flats twice hit a set...and i don't blame you for calling there but you did not have to because we can polarize his made hands that he shoves to only sets and the draws to at least one overcard so nothing at all wrong up until the call at the end which wasn't that bad because we go for the win in 2p2

I don't know, I see tons of floating, but I would agree that he would have to be a pretty massive donk to flat/shove with nothing other than overs.

yeah he has to have a draw and a good one at that and he is going to be shoving it on the flop 100% of the time and shoving his sets as well,

so if he has a set half the time and a nut draw half the time which is about right..then our equity is going to be a little light to call his shove because he could also hit the overcard(s) so if you give him equal weight on his sets and draws then you are going to need to get lucky...but you had to get lucky in the first place when you flat/raise flop...you should know that is a very risky line because when you raise you have to think about the hands that are calling your raise too...are there more hands calling that beat your or that you beat...a pre-planned raise move on any flop is not good you have to put together what hands they could have that call you

i like it on this flop btw...li can think of a lot of hands in their range that call but also the pot is big enough at this point that we can shut it down now and protect the money we already made

Oh wow there is no flush draw on here i thought there was a straight plus flush draw...ok there is no hand he can profitably shove here but a set...if he is a donkey he may have 88-TT but there is no hand you are beating in his range that shoves this is almost always a set from decent TAG i do not see a logical draw sorry but ez fold

2 things.

First, I think I like a 3bet to about 1700 pre. Not too tough a decision if someone 4-bets imo. Should have some idea of what type of player they are by this point.

Second, (Im not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but) I don't like the raise size on the flop. I'm not going to jump into whether you should raise or just overcall flop, because other people have already weighed in, but I think if you are going to raise it needs to be to at least 3k.