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Sunday 200K - QQ vs unknown w/ possible flush...  Shove it??? Sunday 200K - QQ vs unknown w/ possible flush...  Shove it???

02-01-2009 , 06:11 PM
I got moved to this table one hand ago so no reads. My thought process from the flat call preflop and the call on the flop was mid to high PP or Ax hearts (however, not leaving him odds on the flop bet meant that he should of layed down the hand on the flop). Any thoughts on next move?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t125 - 9 players - View hand 25756
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CO: t35915 M = 13.68
BTN: t61996 M = 23.62
SB: t19865 M = 7.57
BB: t60291 M = 22.97
Hero (UTG): t28685 M = 10.93
UTG+1: t9065 M = 3.45
UTG+2: t21889 M = 8.34
MP1: t18301 M = 6.97
MP2: t34531 M = 13.15

Pre Flop: (t2625) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to t2750, 5 folds, BTN calls t2750, 1 fold, BB calls t1750

Flop: (t9875) 4 4 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t5000, BTN calls t5000, BB folds

Turn: (t19875) 3

Hero?
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02-01-2009 , 06:14 PM
I make the flop bet larger.

I also probably slow down on the turn and maybe try and control things a little bit.
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02-01-2009 , 09:02 PM
bet more on the flop to set up a turn shove
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02-01-2009 , 09:10 PM
55-JJ make up a ton of his range here and i think our stack is too short to think about giving up on this one. Just shove it.
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02-01-2009 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LorenB
55-JJ make up a ton of his range here and i think our stack is too short to think about giving up on this one. Just shove it.
+1
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02-01-2009 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Loretta8
bet more on the flop to set up a turn shove
Quote:
Originally Posted by LorenB
55-JJ make up a ton of his range here and i think our stack is too short to think about giving up on this one. Just shove it.
yes
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02-02-2009 , 06:38 AM
I make a regular bet and call a shove, but I'm just nit picking.
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02-02-2009 , 08:42 AM
I think I like a c/r on the flop.
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02-02-2009 , 08:53 AM
As said, try and get the shove in asap.
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02-02-2009 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by aces_full1963
I think I like a c/r on the flop.
u expect that he bets the flop? i don't think so. even if he bets he can shove over your raise and u are in a tought spot. bet/shove is the best line on that flop. the board is to heavy to make a normal bet, so bet the pot with the intention to shove the turn. as played, check the turn to get a cheap showdown. maybe u can fold the river if he leads the turn and river.
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02-02-2009 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by b0mb
u expect that he bets the flop? i don't think so. even if he bets he can shove over your raise and u are in a tought spot. bet/shove is the best line on that flop. the board is to heavy to make a normal bet, so bet the pot with the intention to shove the turn. as played, check the turn to get a cheap showdown. maybe u can fold the river if he leads the turn and river.
Tough spot? Like, how fast to click the call button, or an actual decision? +1 to the bet bigger on flop and shove turn camp. Also, I don't think you can fold even if he bets twice. While some people won't bet often enough for value, you'll often see weaker overpairs and outrageous bluffs enough to make calling down right.
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02-02-2009 , 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by b0mb
u expect that he bets the flop? i don't think so. even if he bets he can shove over your raise and u are in a tought spot. bet/shove is the best line on that flop. the board is to heavy to make a normal bet, so bet the pot with the intention to shove the turn. as played, check the turn to get a cheap showdown. maybe u can fold the river if he leads the turn and river.
I think if I check, villian will bet most times. If he doesn't, thats ok too because I will definitely get it in on the turn.
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02-02-2009 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Loretta8
bet more on the flop to set up a turn shove
This, we are never folding here.
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02-02-2009 , 01:14 PM
I've seen villains check behind w/ overpairs for tarping/rando purposes at these stakes a million times. Bet the flop large and shove the turn.
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