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Sunday 1/4 Million - Do I believe the Villian Sunday 1/4 Million - Do I believe the Villian

04-12-2010 , 05:44 PM
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t67273 M = 9.34
UTG: t17398 M = 2.42
UTG+1: t125739 M = 17.46
UTG+2: t27069 M = 3.76
Hero (MP1): t34696 M = 4.82
MP2: t19401 M = 2.69
CO: t120948 M = 16.80
BTN: t90132 M = 12.52
SB: t63044 M = 8.76

Pre Flop: (t7200) Hero is MP1 with A K
3 folds, Hero raises to t7250, 3 folds, SB raises to t62744 all in, 1 fold, Hero ?????

I have been in similiar spots in recent tournys. Have only seen the Villain for 15 hands, this is his second action. First was out of BB, where there was no preflop raise, he caught a K on the river to pair his K5os.

Two questions:

1. Should I be throwing away in the face of a reraise, and possibly inviting 3-Bets more often because of my weak image?
2. Is this a move I should respect because it puts my tourny life on the line, but call if it leaves me with chips?

Spoiler:

Hero calls t27146 all in

Flop: (t74492) 4 3 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t74492) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t74492) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t74492
Hero shows Ah Kc (a pair of Fours)
SB shows Qc Qs (two pair, Queens and Fours)
SB wins t74492
Sunday 1/4 Million - Do I believe the Villian Quote
04-12-2010 , 05:47 PM
i didn't read what you wrote and dont care for the spoiler, this a snap.

you're being results orientated but this is fine, especially in this tournament
Sunday 1/4 Million - Do I believe the Villian Quote
04-12-2010 , 05:49 PM
you don't even have 12 BB's here...get it in all day
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04-12-2010 , 05:54 PM
just shove pre instead of raising. so long as you raise the way you did, obviously call.

EDIT: i just read this:

1. Should I be throwing away in the face of a reraise, and possibly inviting 3-Bets more often because of my weak image?
2. Is this a move I should respect because it puts my tourny life on the line, but call if it leaves me with chips?

Last edited by ftn_chris; 04-12-2010 at 05:57 PM. Reason: lololololololololololololololololololol
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04-12-2010 , 05:55 PM
Do you want a chance to win this tourney or do you just want to min cash?

if you want the chance to win, snap call the shove. If you want to min cash, fold and continue to fold until you get dealt AA... (and then lose with your AA and cry until you feel better).
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04-12-2010 , 07:14 PM
Open shove ftw
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04-12-2010 , 07:17 PM
If you're not fist pump calling, you're not doing it right. After you raise you should be muttering, "please shove please shove please shove."
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04-12-2010 , 07:26 PM
shove
call
wtf
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04-12-2010 , 07:43 PM
<15bbs just open shove
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04-12-2010 , 07:50 PM
question is: do you believe the villain?
no but cool hand bro
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04-12-2010 , 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ftn_chris
just shove pre instead of raising. so long as you raise the way you did, obviously call.

EDIT: i just read this:

1. Should I be throwing away in the face of a reraise, and possibly inviting 3-Bets more often because of my weak image?
2. Is this a move I should respect because it puts my tourny life on the line, but call if it leaves me with chips?
After reading your reasons for editing, I realise that I should pull my head out of my nether oriffice and stop being results oriented. Thank you.
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04-12-2010 , 10:32 PM
I don't give two sh*ts about villain right now. What I believe in this hand is that we have AK, less than 12BB, and should never be folding. Open shove the first time around and snippity snappity call the second time. What better can you hope for in the next few times around the table if you dare to fold?!
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04-12-2010 , 11:00 PM
Shove pre

As played never ever everrr folding obv
Sunday 1/4 Million - Do I believe the Villian Quote
04-12-2010 , 11:04 PM
Dude the whole point of not shoving in the first place is so that you can happily snap-call this. Btw unless your regular MO has been to shove, I like opening regular to induce, especially if you have been at all active.
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04-12-2010 , 11:42 PM
Never ever folding unless he flashes me AA. And even then I wouldn't believe him and call. Btw, you have to call 27k to win 48k, so you only have to be good 36% of the time. Even if he flipped up his QQ you should call, because you'll have 43% equity. This is like saying you are risking 1 dollar to win $1.78, and you only need to win 36% of the time to break even. Winning at a clip of 43% means your EV = .43*1.78 - .57*1 = 19.5c. So given the dollar example, you are forsaking 19.5c of money per wager of this type.

This is of course only when he has QQ. Expect hands you dominate as well: AQ-A8, for example.

Last edited by swifttarrow; 04-12-2010 at 11:50 PM.
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04-13-2010 , 08:57 AM
just open-shove pre
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04-13-2010 , 09:02 AM
open/call>open shove
just don't consider folding anywhere pre or post till all of your chips are in the middle
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04-13-2010 , 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtlad
2. Is this a move I should respect because it puts my tourny life on the line, but call if it leaves me with chips?
Disabuse yourself of this notion now. Your "tournament life" isn't that valuable until the final table, and even then, situations like this one are exceptional, not standard.
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04-13-2010 , 10:57 AM
Thanks everyone. What was obvious to everyone was bothering me. I will try to keep future posts to ones that actually need thought.
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