WTF, don't play a level with only 20 buyins. Play like you DON'T have the money to reload.

Does anyone here play any PLO? I need someone to bounce hand histories with as I'm learning

give it a shot.... go to the branch very sad, talk to the manager.. it works.. maybe they have hearts as well, and refund you somethin.. tell them youll get an overdraft protection.. thats a sale for them, which makes them think you wont do it again/ or are gonna try you darnest not to...
what bank is it?

Didn't you jut advise me to not sit and grind all weekend? What do you think is going to happen if I drop down to the $16s? Plus 0 for 8 at the 16s = suicide time. I'd rather busto and go do something else.

BofA - they don't push overdraft protection at all. It would **** up their profits. Also they still charge you, just not as much. $10 I think instead of $35. Also they randomly turn it off if you don't keep asking for it.

pm sent

can any1 help me out with 400 on tilt for my stars

pm'd ben

This is getting more, and more, and more common @ the 100+ level and it tilts me a TON too.

The worst thing about red pros is that they arent just getting $100 rb, but $35 hourly too which is probably more than the best regs are grinding out at those stakes (i could be wrong on this, no offense intended)

Sharkscope 'moneyinthebank1' on ftp for the worlds clearest example


Suzzer, that comic was HILARIOUS I sent it to like 10 friends of mine, ty for posting

Isn't it good for you guys if a donk is grinding tons of tables regardless of whether or not he's a red pro?

Donk, yes. Breakeven player or slight loser, no. Absolute worst is a crappy regular who calls and shoves too wide into other regs.

No, it's pretty bad for other decent players usually. Here's how it works. Most of the higher levels are pretty well saturated with good players, so it's usually necessary to either practice some sort of table selection or just take the ROI hit and hope your hopefully doesn't suffer as well. Assuming the red pro is at least break-even without the rake, he can sign up for whatever he wants. That means there is one player that doesn't have to worry about table selection, and he can ruin everyone else's profitability without ruining his own.

Here's an example. Scotty, MJCACE, me, a red pro, and an infinite pool of fish are staring at a $236 6-max lobby. If the tournametn were to go off with just me and five fish, say my ROI is 10%. With either Scotty or MJC there, my ROI is likely to drop, say to 3%. If both play, my ROI is -3% (as are theirs) and we all break even after rakeback, or maybe they make a little money because they are slightly better at beating me than I am at beating them. In reality, if two of us are in teh game, the third one shouldn't be signing up, so the games stay profitable for me. Now put red pro in there. Even if he isn't as good, and my ROI drops by less, I'm still looking at situations where Scotty or MJC is in the game, and I can still sign up profitably, but then red-pro comes in behind us, and now I'm back to breaking even after rakeback. At a minimum, my ROI is dropping from 3% to -1 or -2%, and with 3% rakeback, my effective ROI is being cut by over 2/3. Red-pro's ROI in that tournament can by -8% and he's still OK. He can sign up for tournaments profitably that other players can't, and when he does, it ruin other people's profitability but not his.

Sorry, kind of long and confusing...

That sucks.

The fact that it happens or the way I explained it?

I'm an idiot and I understand what you said so you explained it fine. The fact that it happens sucks. The only thing you can do is try and be the last guy in I guess. If it makes that big of a difference then just changing that aspect of you game selection could make a huge difference in your bottom line.

I try to avoid any other 2p2ers in my 6-max. If the same 2p2er is sitting on every one, I may join every now and then to make a statement that they need to let me have one. I'll play with one ok reg I recognize, but I prefer to avoid that.

Regulars I avoid fall into two distinct categories. People who avoid me and people who don't. I play off-peak time (usually 11-13 lobby time) so the games don't run that often but there aren't many regulars in them. For someone who I see will avoid a SNG I'm already in, I try to notice how many they play. If they only 2 table, I generally just let them have what they need and go in after. I can vary the buy-in I play too so it's not a problem to find games. I might even unregister from one that has gotten bad if a few decent occasional players show up and it just isn't that good anymore. For the people who continue to be the third good player to register in a 6-max SNG, my attitude is "f*** 'em." My presence hurts them more than their presence hurts me anyway because I can play a perfect NE game against them if I have to, but almost no one else can do that, so we all just lose to the rake, but every time they make a mistake, I win.

I just signed up for the 'super sports' pack through cable. I now get almost every baseball, basketball, football and hockey game. Unfortunately, I don't really watch baseball, basketball or football.

I am the Leader of all of the "regs"We took a vote = it was unanimousWe vote to accept Suzzer into any game that any number of us are sitting in

Every NFL game too? How much did that cost I want it!

I signed up for NHL.com's broadband streaming service. You can see pretty much every game, up to 40 a week, up to four games at a time, for $28/mth. I don't know how that compares with cable deals, but I don't have a digital cable box in my room so it wouldn't make much sense to get one, plus I can now watch nhl games while grinding w/ ease.

I expect a drop in my ROI, and to incur some heavy sports betting losses.

Yea, I start out at like 19/month for 4 months and then it's 29/month or something, with a certain minimum number of months...

I hate that you can't just watch hockey on regular TV anymore. I can't watch a local Rangers game but I can watch the Hawaiin International House of Pancakes Championship League Pro-Am Golf Tournement any time I want to.

Damn TV.

Cogeco?
You still don't get leafs game cause its really dumb.

How do you grinders do it? I played three sets of 8 tables today and feel drained. Sigh, such a long way to go.