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05-13-2008 , 06:40 PM
cha,

I don't know what some of that means but the ones that I understand look fine.

what does 44% steal SB mean? when its folded to you? that seems high.

I'm debating HM and PT3 now. I was thinking of a seperate thread but didn't know where to put it.
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05-13-2008 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GtrHtr
cha,

I don't know what some of that means but the ones that I understand look fine.

what does 44% steal SB mean? when its folded to you? that seems high.

I'm debating HM and PT3 now. I was thinking of a seperate thread but didn't know where to put it.
Ive used the beta PT3 (the latest beta version is pretty close to the one that will be marketed in a week or so) and it is not as refined or as smooth or as useful as HEM. If PT3 ends up being better eventually, I'll probably spring for the $74 (thats the discounted price if you've owned PT2 for over a year). For now, HEM is way way better than PT2 in a lot of ways and I have just started to learn about all its capable of.

The HUD updates every hand and it does not lag at all like PT2 does. If you want that big pop up thingy that I posted, just click on the HUD box once and it pops up right away, unlike PT2's popup which works once in a while. The stats you get in HEM are pretty awesome IMO.

And yes, that is 44% of the time its folded to me in SB I steal apparently.
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05-13-2008 , 07:04 PM
44% stl from SB seems really high. Can you sort to see what your winrate is when you attempt to steal from the SB?
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05-13-2008 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
44% stl from SB seems really high. Can you sort to see what your winrate is when you attempt to steal from the SB?
3580 hands folded to me in sb
-6.73 bb/100 (NOT PTBB/100, this is actual BB/100)
45.6% vpip
43.5% pfr

hmmm, I think you guys spotted leak #1, ty

One thing this leads to however: I'm pretty tight overall and might need to find other spots to loosen up. I'm 30/25 overall from the button now. Should I open up more there?
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05-13-2008 , 07:41 PM
Cha - your WWSF of 38% looks a little low to me.

I believe for 6 max you want to have that at least at 42%. Your total aggression looks good for your playing style so maybe its just a function of the FR hands thrown in.
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05-13-2008 , 07:49 PM
Spew? We've been playin ~ an hour, dude has MRR me 3-4 times preflop, (the only time I showed down I had 33, he had 55, and the flop came A-5-3 (doh)). He does some odd postflop stuff too. Also of note, one time he flatted my raise with KK and got it in vs. SB 3-bettor, so while I'm not eliminating AA/KK from his range, I can probably drop the% a bit. He is 55/16/1, but seems to be saving his aggression more for me (and it's been successful for him so far with him stacking me once, and me folding postflop several times).

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP: $410.65
CO: $202.85
BTN: $197.00
SB: $146.95
BB: $189.55
Hero (UTG): $243.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $7, MP raises to $12, 4 folds, Hero raises to $35, MP calls $23

Flop: ($73.00) 6 J J (2 players)
Hero bets $36, MP raises to $72, Hero raises to $208 all in, MP calls $136

Turn: ($489.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($489.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

-Should I just call PF instead of inflating the pot OOP 120 BB deep?

-Flop bet size as played? I wanted to have some FE if he made some smallish play at me - should I C/R or C/F to a decent bet instead?

Last edited by Gramps; 05-13-2008 at 07:56 PM.
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05-13-2008 , 07:52 PM
PF 3-bettor is 21/14/5, caller is 76/14/1 and 3-bettor should know this:

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $159.70
CO: $18.10
BTN: $214.70
SB: $206.15
BB: $265.40
Hero (UTG): $434.35

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $7, MP calls $7, 1 fold, BTN raises to $28, 2 folds, Hero calls $21, 1 fold

Flop: ($66.00) 3 8 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $48, Hero raises to $122, BTN raises to $186.70 all in, Hero calls $64.70

Turn: ($439.40) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($439.40) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Too loose PF? Do I have more FE with a flop shove vs. committing raise, or does it make little/no difference?
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05-13-2008 , 07:56 PM
Villan is 26/23/2.7 and has been 3-betting me a lot, with me folding. His range is obviously wider:

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $411.20
BTN: $194.00
SB: $249.10
BB: $434.60
UTG: $19.25
Hero (MP): $199.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with T Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, SB raises to $25, 1 fold, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($52.00) 2 Q K (2 players)
SB bets $34, Hero calls $34

Turn: ($120.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($120.00) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

- is this hand sufficient to call with position for value on the present hand?

- call some River bets after my Turn check-behind? If not, what's an AF/RAF that would make you lean towards a call there?
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05-13-2008 , 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
PF 3-bettor is 21/14/5, caller is 76/14/1 and 3-bettor should know this:

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP: $159.70
CO: $18.10
BTN: $214.70
SB: $206.15
BB: $265.40
Hero (UTG): $434.35

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $7, MP calls $7, 1 fold, BTN raises to $28, 2 folds, Hero calls $21, 1 fold

Flop: ($66.00) 3 8 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $48, Hero raises to $122, BTN raises to $186.70 all in, Hero calls $64.70

Turn: ($439.40) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($439.40) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Too loose PF? Do I have more FE with a flop shove vs. committing raise, or does it make little/no difference?
What do you think the 3 bettor thinks of you?
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05-13-2008 , 08:00 PM
cha,

I wouldn't worry about "filling in" your stats if you tighten up from the sb. You're not really 19/14 either if there are FR hands mixed in. Can you filter for 6m?

thanks for the review of HEM, I'm sold I think. Is RVG still working on things or is the current version pretty solid?
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05-13-2008 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cha59
What do you think the 3 bettor thinks of you?
I've been playing at 18/14/2.9 over 8k hands and opening a fair amount at this particular table. Also, since loose stack calls most of my intial raises PF, I think SB might be squeezing a bit wider, but not sure.
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05-13-2008 , 09:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GtrHtr
cha,

I wouldn't worry about "filling in" your stats if you tighten up from the sb. You're not really 19/14 either if there are FR hands mixed in. Can you filter for 6m?

thanks for the review of HEM, I'm sold I think. Is RVG still working on things or is the current version pretty solid?
Yeah maybe you're right. I have basically switched to full ring because I play better vs the nits there. I fit in well

Its stable for the most part. The card showing feature needs a bit of work, but he is tweaking it daily and releases updates very often. New features are being added fairly often too. Good stuff imo.
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05-13-2008 , 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramps
I've been playing at 18/14/2.9 over 8k hands and opening a fair amount at this particular table. Also, since loose stack calls most of my intial raises PF, I think SB might be squeezing a bit wider, but not sure.
Thats a really tough spot. I dont know for sure whats right, but Ive been folding AQs oop vs tough players who 3bet me. If you think he's picking on you, it might be time to take a stand with the AQs preflop and 4 bet the bastard. Its a really hard hand to play oop post flop vs that guy.

As played, post flop doesnt really matter if you shove or bet that size imo. He probably knows youre committed once you make that bet if he has any clue of what he's doing.
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05-13-2008 , 09:56 PM
Villain 18/9/4.1, 3bets 2% and cbets 51% of flops over ~1700 hands.

$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $209.60
UTG: $153.00
Hero (CO): $225.50
BTN: $66.00
SB: $147.05

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T T
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BB raises to $21, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($42.00) 3 9 8 (2 players)
BB bets $25.00, Hero ?
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05-13-2008 , 09:58 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $255.85
MP: $880.75
CO: $200.00
BTN: $210.80
SB: $371.75
Hero (BB): $200.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 8 8
1 fold, MP raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) Q 8 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP raises to $24, Hero...?


Only read is villan played 9 of first 10 hands and played them passively until this one. Should I just call or keep playing fast?
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05-13-2008 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $255.85
MP: $880.75
CO: $200.00
BTN: $210.80
SB: $371.75
Hero (BB): $200.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 8 8
1 fold, MP raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) Q 8 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP raises to $24, Hero...?


Only read is villan played 9 of first 10 hands and played them passively until this one. Should I just call or keep playing fast?
If he's been passive so far I'm confident that I can get a lot of money in on this flop and I want to because even if he has some hand that he loves right now, turn cards can come that will cause him to slow down.
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05-14-2008 , 12:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $255.85
MP: $880.75
CO: $200.00
BTN: $210.80
SB: $371.75
Hero (BB): $200.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 8 8
1 fold, MP raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) Q 8 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP raises to $24, Hero...?


Only read is villan played 9 of first 10 hands and played them passively until this one. Should I just call or keep playing fast?
$66, when someone passive suddenly loves their hand and you have a set and there are 97 bad cards for any made hand that can hit the turn, just keep putting the money in.
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05-14-2008 , 12:24 AM
AQ hand,

I'd usually not 3-bet this if it is not either an easy fold or an easy shove to a 4-bet. I often don't 3bet it against people with widish opening ranges and reasonable calling ranges because you'll just force out the hands AQ does well against.

Here it's a tough spot, because his small 4bet oop is simply too small, and if he can have AT here, you should not be folding anything.

Edit: wow, I was an entire page behind. I'm talking about Gramps AQ hand from a lot of posts back.

Last edited by DevinLake; 05-14-2008 at 12:53 AM.
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05-14-2008 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
AQ hand,

I'd usually not 3-bet this if it is not either an easy fold or an easy shove to a 4-bet. I often don't 3bet it against people with widish opening ranges and reasonable calling ranges because you'll just force out the hands AQ does well against.

Here it's a tough spot, because his small 4bet oop is simply too small, and if he can have AT here, you should not be folding anything.

Edit: wow, I was an entire page behind. I'm talking about Gramps AQ hand from a lot of posts back.
Devin, not knowing that he's capable of making this 4-bet with AT, do you just flat AQo pre or fold?
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05-14-2008 , 02:40 AM
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BB: $214.75
UTG: $217.90
MP: $182.15
Hero (CO): $216.45
BTN: $217.15
SB: $212.20

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 7 A
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 9 2 J (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10

Turn: ($35.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $28, BTN calls $28

River: ($91.00) K (2 players)
Hero ?


cmon bettt

villain is like 16/14 "didzer" is his name, i think he posts on 2p2. i thought he could be floating pps and **** so i hit my heart like a champ and went for the 2x. i feel like if i bet the turn here i have to bet the river as well.
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05-14-2008 , 03:42 AM
PFR is 29/27/5.4 over 59 hands, caller is 22/15/2.3

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $376.55
SB: $620.05
Hero (BB): $360.00
UTG: $261.25
MP: $197.00
CO: $193.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q 8
1 fold, MP raises to $6, 1 fold, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($19.00) Q 9 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $14, MP raises to $38, BTN folds, Hero raises to $354 all in...
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05-14-2008 , 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackize
If he's been passive so far I'm confident that I can get a lot of money in on this flop and I want to because even if he has some hand that he loves right now, turn cards can come that will cause him to slow down.

Cool - I felt the same as you and FD and I 3-bet to $65. He timed down for a long time then typed "you have KK" and folded.

I thought for sure when he miniraised my donk that stacks were going in on the flop.
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05-14-2008 , 12:07 PM
bengie,

i think c/f is best. the king might work as a bluff card some percentage of the time against a hand like 9Ts or something, but it also completes the QT draw and in general I think if he calls 2 on this board he's not going anywhere on the river.


gramps,

that's fine but i might make a smaller 3bet just to induce a worse draw to get in. you have a lot of equity against his range though, but if you can get in vs. a range of draws AND made hands that's obviously better and you shut out draws that might do something spewey if you make a smaller 3bet.
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05-14-2008 , 12:35 PM
BB is a professional window licker, button is a nit 18/13/2.1
Btn took a long time before calling on the flop

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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BTN: $196.15
SB: $225.65
BB: $357.35
Hero (CO): $302.75

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T 9
Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6

Flop: ($25.00) 8 T 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $17, BTN calls $17, BB calls $17

Turn: ($76.00) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($76.00) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $44

How much should I be thinking about this turn and river and getting raised by button? I am obviously most questioning my turn check and how to react to a raise (from button) if I get popped on turn or river when I bet
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05-14-2008 , 12:45 PM
Gramps, Q8, are you "mixing it up" or "balancing your range" when you called with Q8s pre-flop? Do you think Q8s, K9s, or T6s are the same kind of hand? Once you get there, bet/3bet looks good especially vs a very aggressive player who will often raise donk bets. I was also thinking about c/raising flop, as both lines can get (a) better made hands to fold and (b) better draws to fold. You have the Qd so the strongest of these hands that have you beat and better draw is gone (AdQd and KdQd)

As for the raise size (all in) I'm not sure which is better.
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