2/5, $600 behind
Villain has about $275

I straddle the btn.

Villain is utg+1 and flats, mp flats, hijack flats, I check with A 9

Flop: 9 6 3

Villain leads for $55, there's ~$50 in the pot.

Up until recently I'd agree. I'd never given it much thought. Just always seemed like a standard b/f spot. I started a thread here that really got me thinking. Rainbowbright is an extremely intelligent poster, and some of his thoughts in a really similar spot are very interesting. The more I think about it the more I like c/c the flop.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...-plan-1169912/

I probably raise preflop because a) there's a lot of money in the pot, b) it's my btn and c) my hand does not flop that great.

As played, I call and re-evaluate. Villain can definitely have limped a pair > 9 here from ep, can have sets, and maybe 96 (depending on particular villain). Most guys that lead draws live, do it to set their price, not to take it down which betting pot is the more likely intention.... I don't think you can shove based on my assumption about how he's going to bet draws.

edit: having just re-read my post, it really seems like I outline reasons for folding. But, we are never folding here...so we call lol.

Presume MP and HJ have folded?

If so, just flat. We have a mid-strength strong showdown hand, and mid strength hands aren't good for raising or folding.

I flat. There's ~$160 in the pot.

Turn is the J

Villain bets $100 pretty quickly, has about $85 left behind.

I agree about pre, I raise a ton of worse hands in that spot, I just tend to hate playing Ax hands and usually play them quite passively. I'd rather raise with Q9o.

Turn is just a fold imo. I mean he's limped pre and then fired pot on the flop with 3 to act. Then fired again on the turn,

It's just going to be an overpair/set a lot of the time and the times it's a high equity draw, he gets there on the river a lot of the time.

If I'm calling flop it's to get it in on most turns. Jx is a big enough brick where I don't think twice about getting it in.

Flop is probably close to a call or fold. Is everyone straddling button? How often are the straddles being raised pre? Can you give us a description of villain?

There's probably 4 people at the table straddling every round. Theres two (me and the guy two to my left who has $2400) raising most of their straddles. It's plausible for villain to have limped hoping I'd raise as I've raised half my straddles. The rest of the table isn't attacking the straddlers by any means, it's almost always limp/limp/limp to straddler and straddler raises or checks. I've attacked the straddle of the $2400 guy and the young kid to my right has limp/3b the $2400 stack twice. Other than that it's pretty passive. Villain is like 55 years old, hasn't played that many hands since I've been at the table. He's def one of the old regs who live around the area because I see him from time to time in the room, but don't recall playing with him.


I called flop and didn't really mind stacking off if need be. I ended up just jamming the turn on him after he lead to get value from combo draws and the 9xs that we beat. 93/63 def isn't in his range and I doubt that 9/6 is, so I think it's hands we beat or sets/TT+ 100%

Flop sucks cause if he keeps up the aggression I'm going to have to stack off a lot of the time. I'm pretty nitty when it comes to making calls but I can't really fold TPTK.

Villain ended up having QQ, slowly flips over one of the Q's and I think he has Q9 and show my hand and he stands up and takes 5 seconds to show me the other Q. Ended up tilting pretty hard the rest of the night

I don't think b/f flop is nitty at all, espec OOP. Even if you give him loads of drawing combos, in which case c/c is much better, because if he does raise combo draws
on the flop, we usually convince ourselves to fold by the river, and live
players look/feel super comfortable with monsters draws

Be aware of people limping in EP and potting flop (and turn). That is all I'm saying about A9 hand.

Did not really see this one coming on the river tbh.
I'm recently folding 99% to river raises, but I was not sure about folding or calling here.
Thoughts?

Villain doubled me in the first hand I played on this table AA>QQ BvB.
This is ~5mins later.
He was 32/31 with 56% foldto3bet%.

I was playing ~23/19 with ~7% 3bet I guess.

Villain is 22/18 over 322 hands.
foldto3bet is 33%. Foldtocbet in 3bet pot is 25% (1/4). Raise cbet in 3bet pot is 25%.

B/f river OK?

Other thoughts on the line.

I checked the turn cause I basically only beat AQ/AJ, while he might still have a decent part of his range here that I can get value off by either c/c-ing turn or betting river.

I think i make everything a touch bigger. Dont think its a biggie or anything but with ur size pre he flats most of his range i think pre (which can be good for you obv)

Flop i bet more again, he can have worse Q and FD and is not gonna peel super wide OOP

Turn villain dependent, u only gave HUD stats which suggests his aggro and reggish. I bet for value here some of the time, K does complete some 2 pair obv but he still has FD and worse queens (thin though as he prob folds these a bunch). So checking back to get thinish river value seems ok as well

River ugh i mean they like always seem to have it, would not be suprised to see QT here or very occasionally total spew. I prob dont fold and sigh call a bunch

Found you a new computer chair-

I snap hand #1

2nd hand I throw in a an extra bb or 2 preflop and definitely bet more onthe flop. I would just keep betting the turn, thinks it's bad to check unless he's got some floats / is willing to vbet thin when we can have a bunch of draws / maaaybe air.

River is wtf, I mean he shouldn't really be shoving worse for value and can't imagine some random bluff, but weird spot. I dunno lol

Hand 2 is fine i think, not sure his gonna turn a worse 2 pair into a bluff.
River sucks and again i hate folding but if his leveling u well played

Buffy, the smaller sizing is working out quite nicely, so I'm sticking with it.
I'm 3betting with a range where I do not mind calls, also quite some guys just want to see the flop and give up the flop, so I think it brings value that way. Plus it is nice if they also have a weaker range postflop so we can get value as well.
I bet half pot on most flops, especially in 3bet pots, only occassionally bigger if flop texture requires it.

Jamie you're still grinding MTTs yeah? I'm about to start grinding and potentially making donkaments my main game. If you're still on skype we should talk some poker

Yeah i mean thats why i said it can be good i do it a ton in mtts where we are shallow, personal preference but i would make it more OTF but not a huge a mount

Yeah tomo i am, on skype like all the time now and playing mtts full time. Working out at the moment but super early days (mtts are the softest they been for 2 years imo). Hit me up when ur on....

2/3/5

i cover both,

SB = $400
BB = $550
MP= $625

MP raise $15 KK. folds to SB & BB CALL.

Flop $50 AK7

Check to me i live misclick bet $20 both call pretty quick.

Turn $110 4

I bet $80. SB deliberates. judging from how he looked during his action i thought he was going to raise, fold and call, all at different moments. he calls. BB folds.

River $270 8

Vill Thinks for a sec, leads $100

Deurdy, I'd call hand 1. Guys stats makes me think he likes to spew or turn something like AT into a bluff.

Hand 2, sucks but I think you need to fold. I guess he could have ATs but I think he's almost never bluffing so can't see you being good much.

Cake, can't see how you could ever fold with those odds. With flush hitting river he's not calling a raise very often with worse. Just throw a black chip in there so you can see what 2 diamonds he has

I ended up calling and got berated for slowrolling, lol. Villain had 99.

AK hand was certainly strange.
Decided that seeing his stats and the line he either got funky with a set or hit a licky river with QJ after floating flop to try and outplay me.

2nd hand doesn't villain have AT-Q just as often? Maybe even A9?