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01-27-2010 , 02:20 PM
I'm rusty too but here are my thoughts:

The AK hand I don't really feel good about getting it in on the flop as deep as you are. People will often c/r bluff ace high flops but I think if you get it in on the flop you're probably in trouble. I would call the flop and evaluate.

AJ I play the same although I might 3-bet preflop if you think you can do it for value.

AQ I fold the turn. I think in general your bet is fine though checking back is ok too.

A4 I try to get it in on the flop.
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01-27-2010 , 02:30 PM
AK hand: Kinda gross, but I think he's making a 'see where he's at' kinda raise enough to call and re-evaluate on the turn. If he pots the turn you can probably fold. If he makes another weak bet I'd call against and then re-evaluate again on the river.

AJ Hand: line is good. no point to raising at any point in this hand. River is a call sometime a fold sometimes. Might fold in rush poker assuming people can't have a read on you that you are calling a lot in position and trying to win a lot of pots. but, people could also be over aggro in rush poker making his a call down.

AQ hand: I can't see bet/folding being good. I'd snap call once a bet, and probably bet most the time in this situation. There are just so many draws, you have blockers to AA, and I don't know if he's 3betting 77/33/88.

A4s hand: seems like a pretty simply spot really. People put you on high cards, so you have the best hand a decent amount of the time and if you don't you have a huge draw. I'd shove.
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01-28-2010 , 09:36 PM
rush poker, no reads. what's the best line?


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $140.50
BTN: $304.05
SB: $76.50
Hero (BB): $180.85
UTG: $221.30
MP: $104.80

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 7 6
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) K Q 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

Turn: ($16.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO raises to $36, Hero calls $24

River: ($88.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $50, Hero folds
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01-28-2010 , 10:24 PM
You're so deep I think I'd just pitch it on the turn if not PF but I'm a super nit OOP. You do have a ton of equity on the turn but how often do we win his stack if a diamond or T hits? There are some nasty RIO on those cards as well. I don't really like the donk bet on either street. Maybe c/c the flop and see what happens?
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01-28-2010 , 11:23 PM
I 3bet or fold preflop. Pretty hard to be better enough than someone to make 7high profitable oop.

I don't mind the donk at all. And the double barrel seems pretty standard given ur equity and how many hands he needs to fold.

Once he raises the turn, I think it's might be a fold. It's close. You really only get paid on your 5 and you aren't getting the right immediate price I don't think.
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01-29-2010 , 03:45 PM
Hai guys

This is kind of a cash question but an interesting scenario nevertheless.
I'm playing 50nl Heads up...villain is a fish (PTR'd him. Down kk at 50nl! ship!) but has been playing solidish till I win a biggish pot from him....then he goes on absolute megatilt...shoving every single hand
And I mean every single hand

Q: What's your calling range when someone is shoving ATC into you heads up, for 2,3,4,5 buyins???

Do you
A) Call him with Ax, Kx, taking the 60/40 just incase he stops and calms himself down
B) Wait for a PP...he'll keep shoving till I call (possibly)


Below are the HH's:
PLEASE READ FROM THE BOTTOM UPWARDS FOR CONTINUITY PURPOSES BECAUSE I ****ED UP COPYING THE HH'S
Hand #1
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $203.10
Hero (BB): $162.80

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A 2
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 5 5 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($9.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $9, Hero calls $9

River: ($27.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Final Pot: $27.00
BTN/SB shows 7 6 (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
Hero shows A 2 (two pair, Fives and Deuces)
BTN/SB wins $26.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #2
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BB: $198.35
Hero (BTN/SB): $169.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with Q A
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) J K 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.00) A (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($9.00) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $9, Hero calls $9

Final Pot: $27.00
BB shows 6 A (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
Hero mucks Q A
BB wins $26.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #3
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BB: $100.25
Hero (BTN/SB): $269.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 5 A
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $100.25 all in, Hero calls $98.75

Flop: ($200.50) 5 8 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($200.50) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($200.50) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $200.50
BB shows 4 6 (a straight, Four to Eight)
Hero shows 5 A (a pair of Fives)
BB wins $200.00
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #4
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $50.00
Hero (BB): $319.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A 8
BTN/SB raises to $50 all in, Hero calls $49.50

Flop: ($100.00) 4 T J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($100.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($100.00) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $100.00
BTN/SB shows 2 Q (two pair, Fours and Deuces)
Hero shows A 8 (a pair of Fours)
BTN/SB wins $99.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #5
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BB: $51.25
Hero (BTN/SB): $269.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with K T
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $51.25 all in, Hero calls $49.75

Flop: ($102.50) 3 7 K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($102.50) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($102.50) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $102.50
BB shows 8 7 (two pair, Sevens and Threes)
Hero shows K T (two pair, Kings and Threes)
Hero wins $102.00
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #6
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $50.00
Hero (BTN/SB): $220.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 8 8
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $50 all in, Hero calls $48.50

Flop: ($100.00) 8 8 K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($100.00) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($100.00) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $100.00
BB shows 6 7 (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows 8 8 (four of a kind, Eights)
Hero wins $99.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #7
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $51.50
Hero (BB): $169.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 6 6
BTN/SB raises to $51.50 all in, Hero calls $51

Flop: ($103.00) 8 T 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($103.00) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($103.00) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $103.00
BTN/SB shows Q J (a pair of Queens)
Hero shows 6 6 (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero wins $102.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #8
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $69.10
Hero (BB): $102.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A J
BTN/SB raises to $69.10 all in, Hero calls $68.60

Flop: ($138.20) 9 2 T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($138.20) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($138.20) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $138.20
BTN/SB shows K 8 (a pair of Deuces - lower kicker)
Hero shows A J (a pair of Deuces)
Hero wins $137.70
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #9
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BB: $77.85
Hero (BTN/SB): $94.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with A K
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $10.25, BB calls $7.75

Flop: ($20.50) Q 5 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($20.50) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12.50, BB folds

Final Pot: $20.50
Hero mucks A K
Hero wins $20.00
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #10
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BB: $91.80
Hero (BTN/SB): $81.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 9 A
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($5.00) 2 A 5 (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($15.00) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($15.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.95, BB calls $6.95

Final Pot: $28.90
BB mucks J T
Hero shows 9 A (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $28.40
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #11
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BB: $51.50
Hero (BTN/SB): $126.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with K A
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $51.50 all in, Hero calls $50

Flop: ($103.00) 5 2 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($103.00) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($103.00) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $103.00
BB shows 6 5 (a full house, Fives full of Sixes)
Hero shows K A (two pair, Kings and Fives)
BB wins $102.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #12
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $52.00
Hero (BB): $76.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 7 3
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 3 J 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.80, BTN/SB raises to $47.50 all in, Hero calls $40.70

Turn: ($104.00) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($104.00) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $104.00
BTN/SB shows 4 3 (a pair of Threes)
Hero shows 7 3 (two pair, Sevens and Threes)
Hero wins $103.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #13
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $52.70
Hero (BB): $59.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5 Q
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 4 9 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($7.00) J (2 players)
Hero bets $4.65, BTN/SB calls $4.65

River: ($16.30) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.70, BTN/SB calls $8.70

Final Pot: $33.70
BTN/SB mucks J K
Hero shows 5 Q (a flush, Queen high)
Hero wins $33.20
(Rake: $0.50)

Hand #14
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $50.00
Hero (BB): $51.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q Q
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 7 J J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.80, BTN/SB calls $3.80

Turn: ($16.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($24.60) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Final Pot: $40.60
BTN/SB shows J Q (four of a kind, Jacks)
Hero mucks Q Q
BTN/SB wins $40.10
(Rake: $0.50)
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01-29-2010 , 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
rush poker, no reads. what's the best line?


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $140.50
BTN: $304.05
SB: $76.50
Hero (BB): $180.85
UTG: $221.30
MP: $104.80

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 7 6
2 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) K Q 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

Turn: ($16.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO raises to $36, Hero calls $24

River: ($88.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $50, Hero folds
I prefer betting 4$ on flop, either check call turn or check fold turn depending, most likely check call turn
Maybe 3bet pre...probably not in rush poker tho because you'd have no reads on how villain plays postflop

Last edited by entim; 01-29-2010 at 03:54 PM. Reason: Did you post this because you were tempted to shove river? :P)
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01-29-2010 , 06:01 PM
entim, I've never been in that situation before and never though how to respond.

I do know I'd pass on smaller edges when were are deeper and if I lose I can't still be deep with him.

Ie, if he had 200bb and we had 200-300bb, I would call tighter cause A) I can't reload to get it back easily and B) winning might untilt him.
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01-29-2010 , 06:41 PM
Entim I don't really like the first call b/c you're 200 BB's deep. Other than that when he's 100 deep you may as well try and get some value.

Also RE: dave donking smaller. I really think if you're going to donk you should near pot it. I tend to see smaller donk bets as the bettor going:

Since there are no reads in rush I'd probs donk harder.
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01-29-2010 , 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KoreanBuffet
Entim I don't really like the first call b/c you're 200 BB's deep. Other than that when he's 100 deep you may as well try and get some value.

Also RE: dave donking smaller. I really think if you're going to donk you should near pot it. I tend to see smaller donk bets as the bettor going:

Since there are no reads in rush I'd probs donk harder.
which is why I like the double barrel.
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01-29-2010 , 06:53 PM
Alright I'll give you that. Again let it be known I'm bringing a 25NL mentality to the analysis.
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01-29-2010 , 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by entim
Did you post this because you were tempted to shove river? :P)
i may have given it a passing thought, but mainly i was curious if anyone would recommend c/shoving turn.

re: open shovers hu, i usually call something like A9+, KQ, 88+ for 100 bbs. i might loosen it up more if villain is rebuying multiple times. tighten up if 200bbs deep.
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01-29-2010 , 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KoreanBuffet
Alright I'll give you that. Again let it be known I'm bringing a 25NL mentality to the analysis.
Here's something to chew on (and I don't know the answer):

All the time we run into spots where we'll recognize that it's most likely going to take 2 barrels to bluff. Some times we decide not to bluff in that scenario, or some times we sack up and get ready to fire two barrels.

Now the question becomes, which is the most profitable way to 2 barrel. In the past, I've often bet smaller on the first barrel, to save money the times my 2 barrel gets picked off. But, Blackize pointed out to me one time, that if you bet more on the first barrel, you'll actually win more on your bluff.

I'm just throwing out some random considerations:
- your bluffs aren't necessarily designed to make money from being successful, but rather from making your big hands more profitable. This would lean me towards losing less when caught, than winning more when successful.
- if someone is an excellent hand reader, your bets need to make sense. Often when a small bet is followed by a bigger bet relative to the pot on the subsequent street, it sparks suspicion if the better's hand was unlikely to improve (or the board has not become draw heavy). For this reason, against better players, I try to keep my barrels consistent and usually around 2/3rds pot.
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01-29-2010 , 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
i may have given it a passing thought, but mainly i was curious if anyone would recommend c/shoving turn.
Do you have reason to think he's on a complete float very often here? If not, I don't really like c/r because he'll check back hands that will fold to your 2nd barrel a decent amount. Like Qx, JJ, floats, etc.
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01-29-2010 , 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
But, Blackize pointed out to me one time, that if you bet more on the first barrel, you'll actually win more on your bluff.
and you should also make more on your big hands by building a bigger pot. i usually bet bigger in relation to the pot on the flop and smaller on later streets as people are much more likely to call earlier in the hand than later.
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01-29-2010 , 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
and you should also make more on your big hands by building a bigger pot. i usually bet bigger in relation to the pot on the flop and smaller on later streets as people are much more likely to call earlier in the hand than later.
yes, I often bet much bigger on the turn than on the river relative to the pot.
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01-29-2010 , 11:44 PM
I just played my first session of rush! So much fun playing 45/40/2.2 with 12% 3bet and 35 bb/100 at 200nl.
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01-30-2010 , 04:07 PM
You played 45/40 full ring? :S:S

I agree with your comments on semi-bluffs, but not on this board imo.

If he floated my bet there I would assume raggy K, FD, TJ..AJ poss. too I suppose.
I'm assuming he'd raise up KQ. He could play AK like this idk.
As dave I would tend to donk in with sets and semi bluffs versus randoms, and c/c my K's/Q's(depending obv).

The 9 is undoublebarrable imo. K9 is in his range, TJ easily.
It's an annoyingly well co-ordinated board for two purr/straightdraws. On one level this mean we can be REPPING more, but we're also semi bluffing into nutty hands more.
Versus a reg I would be more inclined to double barrel, not vers. a random.

I'm just saying i'd much prefer to double barrel a raggy 2, would you? My reasoning being:
It obviously wouldn't help him. And he's raising a lot of his nutty hands on that flop (monster draws, maybe sets). If I had QQ here and a random donked in I'm probably raising
, so he knows that we know that this card didn't help him. If he raised me then i'd come in with a 4bet most possibly.

Just some thoughts, they may not be coherent or make sense tho.

And yes, after that guy won the $200 pot, he stopped tilting.

Last edited by entim; 01-30-2010 at 04:12 PM.
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01-30-2010 , 04:20 PM
As for the dog face, wp. Came back from a party last night pretty wasted and lol'd for a good hour.
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01-30-2010 , 10:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
I just played my first session of rush! So much fun playing 45/40/2.2 with 12% 3bet and 35 bb/100 at 200nl.
That is sick. I tried playing 25/20/3, 7% 3bet at .25/.50 and everyone wants to play sheriff. I'm lucky if I'm breaking even at rush so far.
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01-30-2010 , 10:19 PM
BTN 100 hands 22/16/0.4 and has 3-bet (from the blinds only) so far a couple times so JJ+ I'm assuming is heavily discounted to non-existent.

If he's been paying attention I'm prolly around 30/22 as BB was a monkey and I've been isolating his limps quite often and raising his BB quite a bit more than normal.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $41.55
BB: $16.50
UTG: $29.75
Hero (CO): $24.65
BTN: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) T 5 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.70, BTN calls $1.70

Turn: ($5.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

River: ($13.25) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18.55 all in, Hero

Last edited by MikeMcQ1; 01-30-2010 at 10:25 PM.
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01-30-2010 , 10:49 PM
Mike.

Given how passive he is I doubt that he bets air/TP/op on the turn and continues/pays u off on the river to be c/c the turn hoping to improve.

The only hand I could see you been ahead of on the river is a slow rolled AA.
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01-30-2010 , 11:41 PM
b/f or c/f the turn seem better to me than c/c against someone this passive. interesting river, but i don't think he'd shove with AT,KT type hands and i don't think he has complete air ever so i'd fold.
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01-31-2010 , 01:24 AM
My set detector is going off. His river play makes me think he was slowplaying his flopped set and is scared by the board now, making an irrational, scared shove hoping you'll fold.

That being said, although his numbers look really passive post flop, 100 hands is a pretty minimal sample to gauge that by. What ger says about a slowrolled AA is possible, but aside from that or a possible bluff, I dont see much else youre beating here.
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02-01-2010 , 06:52 PM
rush poker. don't recognize villain as a reg, so gonna assume donkish. i usually fold this pf but games seemed tighter than normal at the time.


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $49.10
Hero (MP): $101.50
CO: $168.90
BTN: $126.95
SB: $111.75
BB: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with K T
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 4 6 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BTN calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN raises to $38, Hero ?
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