SUUUUUUUHP FELLAS!!!

Deurdy inspired 25NL FR night.


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BB: $25.00
UTG: $16.95
UTG+1: $42.65
UTG+2: $9.50
MP1: $24.05
MP2: $19.05
CO: $5.75
Hero (BTN): $34.10
SB: $12.45

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A K
6 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, BB raises to $4.50, 1 fold

Ok I had both Villains about 25/15 over like 50ish hands. I feel like this was waaaaaaaay too nitty but I don't like calling to flop a A or K here.





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UTG+1: $10.00
UTG+2: $5.30
MP1: $32.90
MP2: $52.70
CO: $26.25
BTN: $39.85
SB: $34.85
BB: $26.50
Hero (UTG): $26.50

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, MP2 calls $4

Flop: ($13.35) Q 9 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP2 calls $8

Turn: ($29.35) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($29.35) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $3, Hero calls $3

Villain's first hand at the table. I 4 bet with the intention of folding to a 5 bet shove. After he checks flop I really think I'm b/f. Should I check behind?

Another hand that PT didn't get I suppose b/c I was ending my sesh and closed out the table before the hand finished (it should have still captured that yeah?)

Anyhow Villain is 9/0 over 11 hands I have QQ in the CO we both have full stacks

Hero: Raise to $1
BTN: Raise to $3
SB: Call $3
Hero: Raise to $8
BTN: Raise All In
SB: Call All In <---SB was a short stack
Hero: Folds

I think the right play there is to 4b/f. Thoughts?

AKs hand: Just 4bet get it in, and be pretty happy about it. His range can be pretty wide here, it's a perfect squeeze spot. He might even call with worse like AQ/AJ, and folds more than enough for it to be profitable, when combined with how decent ur equity is vs his 5betting range.

The only reason to call, is to be trappy because he's 3betting a huge range here. But, I wouldn't bother with that until I was super confident postflop in 3bet pots.

JJ hand: 4bet/folding is probably pretty bad. It's really hard to predict how someone is reacting to 4bets. It's not like in 3bet pots where you have a aggro player that opens a lot, calls a lot of 3bets, but only 4bets the nuts, so you can 3bet/fold hands with postflop value.

In a 4bet pot, if he flats or shoves, it really doesn't do much to define his range. He might shove AK, and flat QQ+ trapping you.

given the price he gave you, and how small the pot will still be on the flop, I'd just call and play some post flop poker. Getting 5bet by AK here, and folding really sucks.

On the flop. I'd just check and probably fold. He'll check back TT, etc, rarely has a hand that needs to bluff this flop (ie, with preflop action his range is sufficiently tight that most hands have showdown value). The river is worth calling just for the info.

QQ: Pretty much have the same to say about QQ here preflop as the JJ hand, other than he didn't min raise you here, which makes your 4-bet larger.

Because you have to 4bet much larger (1/3rd stack), there is absolutely no way you can 4bet/fold. If his range to continue to a 4bet is so tight, that you are 4bet/folding then I much much rather have A4s or some other equally trashy hand to 4bet. 4beting QQ and folding just means you are bluffing, because they rarely flat so it doesn't matter your actual hand.

So, in this spot I'm pretty happy getting in QQ. It's QQ in late position!

lolz posted those hands and then went and read an article that was all "Raising for info can essentially be turning your big hands into bluffs by 4 betting into super tight ranges blah blah blah kb is a rungoodmokeytardnit"

My understanding of deep stack poker is so lol.

Villain is a reg and is running 20/16 with 4.6% 3bet over 244 hands. Additional mental note I have is that he likes to play back especially in position.

On the flop I was kinda expecting him to raise quite often, but I don't think I should 3bet him right? or should I? Some players I would consider folding here actually or 3bet/folding but this guy is way to fancy to have the nuts here quite often.
Turn obv sucks with 3rd heart out, and my plan was to c/r and end it there. When he checks behind it seems he may have a heart and wants some showdown value for his bluff.

Now tell me if you like the river or not? My reasoning was that he would only value bet K or A, but on the other hand he would probably bet again in the turn with those, thus giving me the feeling I could still rep A, hence my raise, I don't think he would ever call me here with 88x or so.

Thoughts?


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MP1: $104.85
MP2: $78.00
CO: $276.40
BTN: $102.35
SB: $99.35
BB: $89.60
UTG: $117.50
UTG+1: $129.50
Hero (UTG+2): $100.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+2 with A J
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, MP1 calls $3, 5 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 6 3 J (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 raises to $15.50, Hero calls $11.50

Turn: ($38.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

River: ($38.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $22, Hero raises to $52,


This is just a few hands later...
CO is 32/24 /8.3% 3bet over 34 hands
BTN is 22/18 /3.6% 3bet over 74 hands
BB is the same villain from the previous hand, so 22/16 /4.7% 3bet over 244 hands.

Since CO is that laggy, and BTN is quite aggro himself, I expect him to 3bet here on the BTN quite wide, so I was expecting to have the best hand here and to take the pot down pf here. Then suddenly the sheeiiit hits the fan when mr.fancy just ships it arrrin from the BB. I mean WTF. Is he just outleveling everyone here at level 8, or is he just shipping AA here?
BTW had a note that QQ is in his 4bet range.
It seems I need about 37% equity against his range if my calcs are correct, and stoving gives 33% against QQ+/AKs, but 38% against QQ+/AKo+.

thoughts?



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BB: $100.00
UTG: $78.00
UTG+1: $276.40
UTG+2: $100.35
MP1: $101.35
MP2: $89.60
CO: $116.00
BTN: $128.00
Hero (SB): $140.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K A
4 folds, MP2 raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN raises to $6.50, Hero raises to $23, BB raises to $100, 3 folds

Final Pot: $54.50
BB wins $54.50

Also line check here please.
Villain is a reg who is 15/14 /3.9% 3bet over 395 hands he's quite aggro 15 aggr factor postflop on the flop.
I've actually cut-down the amount of hands I'm raising BvB a bit, but every now and then I feel I should raise here.
Should I just shove over his 2bet on the flop, or is 3bet/calling fine?


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UTG+2: $101.00
MP1: $102.50
MP2: $100.00
CO: $165.25
BTN: $48.50
Hero (SB): $117.80
BB: $101.50
UTG: $178.60
UTG+1: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 5 2
7 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 2 8 T (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $98.50, Hero calls $68.50

<---cash n00b

villain was 20/17/3 over 60 hands

calling 3bet ok?

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UTG+1: $5.35
UTG+2: $25.25
MP1: $4.65
MP2: $10.60
Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $38.00
SB: $26.80
BB: $4.25
UTG: $30.40

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with Q J
5 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB raises to $3.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.30

Flop: ($6.85) 6 2 Q (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($16.85) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $18.50 all in, Hero calls $16.70 all in

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UTG just sat down, MP2 and CO were stations.
BTN was 40/13, 15 hands

was totally lost here pre. flatted b/c pretty sure at least MP2 and CO would

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UTG+1: $12.80
UTG+2: $27.35
MP1: $25.00
MP2: $25.30
CO: $104.10
BTN: $25.30
Hero (SB): $35.45
BB: $25.10
UTG: $12.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with J J
UTG raises to $1.25, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25, BTN raises to $3, Hero calls $2.90, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75

Flop: ($15.25) 8 Q 9 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($15.25) 9 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $5, BTN folds, Hero folds

Repeat after me:

"AK against 100bb stacks at FR is not the nuts."

Beer, QJs hand, calling 3bet is villain and stack size dependent. I don't hate it but it isn't standard. Until you learn otherwise, 3 bet ranges are pretty tight as a default at FR. JJ hand is a bad spot. I'd probably fold as well.

I'm repeating; "AK against 100bb stacks running at 32/24 and 22/18 at FR is the nuts."
Unless BB wakes up with a better nuts..


Beero, both hands seem fine to me.
I assume you fold the first hand on a non-club turn right?

Call the flop rr. He is going to give you less credit for a draw because you lead the flop. If you miss the turn, just c/f. He has a set there always and will pay you even if the flush comes.

I'm actually quite convinced he would flat me with a set in position here, cause he's expecting me to have air here a lot.
If I'm not playing back when I hit this flop this hard, I'm setting myself up to get constantly exploited if I'm c/f-ing turn which I will miss a lot. Feels like that would be destroying not only equity in this hand, but also for future BvB spots.

thanks for the input guys

yes, ty

AJ hand: I'd probably just try and get it in on the flop. He'll take a free card a lot of the turn, and his value range is so narrow here. The river isn't a terrible c/r, cause he's obv valuebetting, but probably not the nuts based on the bet size. But, I usually like to have a better feel for what he can have when I raise river value bets.

AK hand: I'd either flat the 3bet, or even fold. You're 4bet looks huge here, and you don't want to look huge with AK.

52s hand: I'd open it if he folds a lot here, which a 15/14 often does. But, I'd usually fold it.

On the flop, I'd probably just call given the price he's giving. Bvb though, his stack off range is probably wider and contains some one pair hands, so 3bet getting in it is probably fine.

QJs hand: You haven't told us his 3bet tendencies, but I'd usually fold his from the CO. If I was opening the btn, it'd be a pretty standard call preflop.

As played, I think the turn is a fold. I doubt he's bluffing, and with the paired board, you probably aren't getting the right price here.

JJ: I think you have to call the turn bet. He can have worse like 8x, TT, etc.

u sound like a hud bot.

Don't worry about playing exploitably, worry about playing optimally. Just because something you are doing can be exploited, does not mean that it is or will be exploited.

You are making a huge assumption that he will flat a set on a drawy board. If he is flatting sets and raising air, you'll figure it out soon enough and then you can adjust.

AJ hand I prefer bet/fold on the river given the turn checks. If he is raising the flop, it's air or a set or a J or a mid pair or a flush draw the vast majority of the time. His turn check can be fear or trap, so IMO if you bet the river, you can fold out the hands where he has a low heart, maybe even his 333/666 hands - who knows? and if he raises you you've found out you're dead at a lower cost. That said, I prefer Devin's advice of getting it in on the flop against this guy - he may well call with worse Js and sometimes even with the nut FD. Often enough at least to outweigh the times he calls with a flatted AA/KK or set, and it's a decent enough pot for you to feel happy taking it down on the flop rather than giving him a free card which might make something from his worse hands.

on the flop, he will be protecting his hand - if he's made a set or tp like AT. That board isn't great.

But you have blockers


Beero, I'd fold QJs to the 3b vs. good reg, I'd rather have T9s there than QJs. I'd call if we were a bit deeper.

JJ you're setmining, std fold

Deurdy: wtf at 4b folding AK? Were you folding to 5b from MP2 or BTN?

You do for sure and should play it that way. How's ur month??

I'm not a HUD bot, but it can't hurt adjusting to players tendencies, especially when they are as described and we have AK.


I'm not trying to be non-exploitable, I'm trying to make an optimal decision, but I don't think it can hurt to keep future scenario's in mind, cause poker is still a long term game.

Well this seemed about a good as spot as any to find that out imo.

fwiw, villain had 97o and obv binked Jd turn.

No I wasn't folding to CO or BTN in that hand, but obv it was kinda silly that BB suddenly comes over the top there.
I don't see how that raise with AK is not going to be +EV against the described players tbh.

Ya I guess its a fold to a cold 4b

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that you looked at their HUD numbers and make decisions on those numbers, when those number a fairly meaningless to whether or not you should raise in that spot.

The players had reasonable stats. Something like 34/30 and 20/18 if I recall correctly. What I would take from these stats, is not that they will stack off light to a cold 4bet (light being AQ, JJ, etc).

What I take from their stats is that they are players with a clue, playing a reasonable preflop strategy and will probably stop and think about what a cold 4bet from me means here. To me, a cold 4bet looks huge and AKo is at the bottom of our value range. So, if they don't fold, I don't like our chances. For that reason, I'm much more likely to 4bet air here and then if the situation arises 4bet AK for value later in the same scenario.

I can hurt and does hurt for a couple reasons. First, you have no history in this particular spot, so it's not optimal at this point. Second, you have no reason to believe that villain will be able to adjust correctly in the future based on your history.

Also, I think it's more profitable to base your play on the standard, and adjust to a history of non-standard. Than base your play on the non-standard to make adjustments for the future that may never come or matter.

Agree, which is why this should be a profitable play right?
Which I doubt it would be if I flat here OOP against two players with reasonable stats.
Other question, what line would you suggest I would take here?

I was not looking for them to stack off here pf tbh, I'm basically bluffing with the best hand, since I can't play this easy OOP postflop against two players with decent stats.
I understand your comment on doing this with air first to have them stack off later, but this situation presented itself now so I have to choose how to play AK here now.
So what would you do?

As said villain is a reg, and most regs on whom I have 400 hands or more on, I've had some confrontations with. So there is already history there, but it's quite difficult to translate that properly into my post of the hand without being too longwindy or posting previous hands.

Also, I posted the hand because I was looking exactly for what the 'standard' would be in this spot, and was wondering if I was deviating, but I thought you already responded on that what your initial comment, being:

I know it looks as if I'm making a lot of assumptions out of nowhere by some of my statements, but they are mostly based on my experience with a player. I play tiled, so I pick up quite a lot on player tendencies. And obv when I have 400 hands or more on someone there have been some confrontations, which bring further reads that may be hard to translate into a post on here.

derby what did you think of your leakbuster purchase?

Deurdy,

I think if you couldn't play AK profitably by flatting here. I would fold AK more often than treat it like air and 4bet, because I just wouldn't 4bet bluff that often.

That said, I can't really see how flatting isn't profitable, and probably more so than 4betting it.