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03-26-2009 , 01:02 PM
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Hero (BB): $10.39
UTG: $14.20
CO: $10.08
BTN: $5.14
SB: $9.53

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A J
UTG raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG calls $1.15, CO calls $1.15

Flop: ($4.55) 2 K 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.50,

Quote:
Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
New to the table, had no specific info on both, only that UTG brought J7o for 3rd pair to showdown in a decent sized pot.
Preflop: not sure if i should flat and play 3way pot oop or if i should squeeze with the chance to take it down pre, fold to a 4bet or have at least the initiative oop.
Flop: scary flop, but i was stupid enough to cbet smallish hoping to fold out small pairs and random broadway hands (that don't have a club)
(i played this hand awful imo)


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Hero (CO): $12.23
BTN: $3.33
SB: $23.68
BB: $4.93
UTG: $7.58

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A T
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 2 2 T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, SB calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.60) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90

River: ($3.40) A (2 players)
SB bets $3.40, Hero calls $3.40

Quote:
Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
he is 18/8 over 50 hands or so. He did some dumb stuff, like flatting a 3bet with A7s 100b deep, etc. His line combined with this board i thought on the river "alright, you have exactly TT or maybe 77". and called because i'm an idiot.


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BB: $2.24
UTG: $8.26
CO: $11.07
Hero (BTN): $12.20
SB: $11.22

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 7 7
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 4 7 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.95) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.80, UTG calls $0.80

River: ($2.55) 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG folds

Quote:
Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
UTG is 24/8 over 30 hands. i iso'd limpers like 4 or 5 times and UTG min3bet and 3bet me once when i attacked his BB. no specific history post.
Flop is bonedry, so i checked hoping he would catch a draw or overcard on the turn.
River should i bet/fold or bet/call?


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UTG: $4.00
MP: $10.00
CO: $0.89
BTN: $10.23
Hero (SB): $13.48
BB: $21.95

MP posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is SB with A Q
1 fold, MP checks, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) 2 T 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($4.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

River: ($6.40) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

Quote:
Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
BB is ******ed, running 34/21 over 60 hands, he is capable of stupid and hopeless dumb stuff post. He has been seeing me iso limpers and open most BTNs and COs (had some good cards). I think i 4bet him pf once, i c/r a flop vs. his weak lead on a dryish board and squeezed his UTG raise out of the BB and took it down with a cbet 3way.
Flop: i think he minraises me with a huge range there (OCs, FDs, GSs, random cards). so i decided to peel one off (stupid³) given some alright BDD vs. his range + i might have the best hand (no value, cause i won't be able to bring it to showdown without improving or paying another bet).
Turn: Should i check/shove?
River is ugly imo, alot of his draws and two pair hands get there.



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Hero (CO): $10.10
BTN: $11.38
SB: $9.56
BB: $26.75
UTG: $18.93

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) T 5 6 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $2.75, BB folds, Hero folds

Quote:
Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
BTN is a 60/3/0.8 over 80 hands and truely ******ed. BB is 10/7.
should i just check/call?

Can't really decide which hand i butchered the worst.
(i think i'll stick to sngs where i'm a marginal winner at least...)
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03-26-2009 , 03:01 PM
I am bad at cash,but I will try my best.

1st. With the read on UTG I like your squeeze,though I wouldn't c-bet that flop,basically just c/f all the way,cause any reasonable bet will commit one/both villains to the pot and as this board is not cool for bluffing I prefer to c.

2nd. It is hard to see what u beat here by the river,I dunno if I would have the guts to call. Looks like full or 2x

3rd. I raise pre more like 50-60 and bet this flop cause at this level they will put u on AK + I v-bet river less.

4th.I raise more preflop,dunno about flop... c/r wis an option

5th. I dunno

BTW loled at "marginal winner"
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03-26-2009 , 03:19 PM
You'll notice you're oop on every hand except the AT and 77 hand which are the two you are crushing their range on.

AJ hand is ok to squeeze but with 2 callers c/f flop > cbet as you did. You can cbet the flop as well but shut down after. c/f will make them more likely to call your next 3 bet pf which would be good provided you have a solid hand.

AT is fine, I would jam the river after that lead he has AK or maybe AQ. AK most likely.

77 hand bet the hand on each street to get allin on the river

AQ I would b/f the flop as it hits his range really well.

AK you could bet flop re-eval but with his action you don't have odds to call the rr.
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03-26-2009 , 10:14 PM
This hand is all kinds of wtf. Villain is 19/15 and hardly ever donkbets. Since it's pretty ******ed to lead this flop with a strong hand, I decide that he's got 65 or 88 type stuff most of the time and that I will turn my mid pair into a bluff.

When he just flats the raise am I right to put him on AQ/AJ and 65s type hands most of the time? Is the turn a snap call, snap fold, or is it much closer than that?



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UTG: $210.55
MP: $216.70
CO: $243.15
Hero (BTN): $454.45
SB: $211.40
BB: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 4 9
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.00) 3 A 4 (2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $15

Turn: ($62.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, SB raises to $181.40 all in, Hero ?
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03-26-2009 , 10:21 PM
I'd prob just call the flop instead of raise, and why is 33 not in his range?? I suck though so w/e.
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03-26-2009 , 10:24 PM
I'm not saying it isn't in his range but that it should be a small part of it since it's ******ed to lead 33 here when I'm going to cbet all of my air on this board.
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03-26-2009 , 10:32 PM
blackize,

that hand makes my head go boom.
I think ingame i snap turn with my "wtf"-face on, cause his line makes no sense to me. Why would he check/shove turn with AQ/AJ, when you have shown quite a lot of strength. I guess you'd check behind some aces on the turn for pot control. So your range is somewhat polarized when you bet the turn.
Anyways, i'm running in circles: I think you have enough equity to snap it.

I'd make a note if he did lead 33 there
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03-26-2009 , 10:36 PM
Maybe I really suck then, cuz I'd lead 33 there like always, both because of the draws and the ace is well within your range...and you're likely to raise my donkbet just as often as you cbet if I check. Plus it adds deception. So I like leading instead of checking if I'm in SBs shoes there. But yeah, it's probably still a small part of his range.
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03-26-2009 , 10:57 PM
I'd call. Hard for you to have a 4 and ur line looks fos.
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03-26-2009 , 10:57 PM
Quote:
Maybe I really suck then, cuz I'd lead 33 there like always, both because of the draws and the ace is well within your range...and you're likely to raise my donkbet just as often as you cbet if I check.
Since I'm putting in roughly the same amount of money with AK AQ A4 A3 or 43 regardless of how the hand plays out you should be looking for a strategy with 33 that maximizes your earn against the rest of my range.

Since I'm never raising Ax hands that I haven't already mentioned but might call a checkraise with them, checkraising is clearly superior against that part of my range.

Given the assumption that I cbet 100% of my range on this board and given my betsizing, you need to hope that I bluff over your donkbet with 30% of my range to make it better than checkraising. Needless to say, I don't think my bluffing frequency is anywhere near that high.
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03-27-2009 , 01:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by movieman2g
so i guess a little more broad question, but since im used to sngs im not used to paying for information.

generally, if im in the beginning of a session, which this TT hand was, how much should i be willing to lose for "information"?

i have been allowing myself a 5 dollar cushion, meaning that ill lose up to 5-7 dollars in a given hand if someone has me confused, or i really want to know what they have. should i expand that range to about 10?
The reason I would pay in the hand you asked about is because its very close. Think about the hands your opponent might play that way; think about how your hand does vs that range; think about what kind of pot odds you have to call. Play around with this hand in poker stove using different ranges for villain and see what you find out. My gut says lots of villains will play almost as many missed draws like this as hands you are beat by. I wouldnt just pay for info if I'm pretty sure I'm beat. I'll do it when I think its a close decision.
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03-28-2009 , 02:12 AM
Villain is 17/12/1.7 in 166 hands. His river aggression is inf. fwiw. We have no significant history, but I have been pretty laggy, playing ~30/25 or so. I think he knows this, or at least has noticed me being aggro.

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BB: $228.35
Hero (UTG): $202.50
CO: $13.00
BTN: $157.15
SB: $100.95

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50, 1 fold, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($11.00) 3 9 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.50, BTN calls $8.50, BB folds

Turn: ($28.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $17.00, Hero calls $17

River: ($62.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $44.00 Hero tanks and....?
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03-28-2009 , 03:16 AM
Why'd u check the turn? J's a great barrel card, no one ever believes you have a J.

I'd call here as played. Mostly based on bet sizing. Bet on the turn looks kinda weakish, like he's just trying to protect his hand. River bet looks much stronger, but on a river card that is more likely to reduce his confidence in his hand than increase it. There's very few Js in his range, and even a 9 has to be concerned with what they can get value with on the river. I think you'll see counterfeited pairs a lot here. Once in a while he has like 98s, or AJ...but I think ur good enough to call.
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03-28-2009 , 10:01 AM
I would also bet turn. River is a trivial check call no matter how turn is played, people love bluffing their no-hoper counterfeited pocket pair here.
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03-28-2009 , 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
Why'd u check the turn? J's a great barrel card, no one ever believes you have a J.
Several reasons
- Pot control
- I had been cbetting a lot of flops and c/folding turns when they floated & I hadnt hit
- On the river I get more value from stuff that he might fold to a 2nd turn barrel
- I'm rusty playing this deep

Three of the four players better than me that commented on this hand said that they'd bet this turn. Do you guys think any of my reasons for checking the turn are valid?

I folded after tanking a long time because I figured his range included several 9s & Js and a bet that size from a guy with his #s is often a value bet. He showed his hand after I folded. Does anyone want to know (or guess) what he had?
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03-28-2009 , 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cha59
Several reasons
- Pot control
- I had been cbetting a lot of flops and c/folding turns when they floated & I hadnt hit
- On the river I get more value from stuff that he might fold to a 2nd turn barrel
- I'm rusty playing this deep
I agree with it if you have good reasons other than just how you have been playing. I'd want to have some good reason to think the villain is going to be trying to win a tonne of pots here.

A 17/12 or whatever he is, doesn't really fit that profile. I just don't think he's floating a tonne, and I think there is more value against his entire range by betting the turn. I don't think he bluff raises you very often, and I don't think he raises many worse hands either, so I'm not really that worried about having to b/f this turn. And like I said in my first response, no one ever seems to believe it when you bet a J turn, so I think he's calling with most of what he called the flop with.
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03-28-2009 , 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackize
This hand is all kinds of wtf. Villain is 19/15 and hardly ever donkbets. Since it's pretty ******ed to lead this flop with a strong hand, I decide that he's got 65 or 88 type stuff most of the time and that I will turn my mid pair into a bluff.

When he just flats the raise am I right to put him on AQ/AJ and 65s type hands most of the time? Is the turn a snap call, snap fold, or is it much closer than that?



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UTG: $210.55
MP: $216.70
CO: $243.15
Hero (BTN): $454.45
SB: $211.40
BB: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 4 9
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($14.00) 3 A 4 (2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $15

Turn: ($62.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, SB raises to $181.40 all in, Hero ?
Bingo bango bongo. A 19/15 is going to recognize that you raise a ton on the button. If he sees you stealing from the button 40%+ I can't imagine he's thinking of folding an ace pf. Your hand is super disguised. Unless you know he's somebody that NEVER plays back, there's no way a fold is good.
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03-28-2009 , 08:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
Bingo bango bongo. A 19/15 is going to recognize that you raise a ton on the button. If he sees you stealing from the button 40%+ I can't imagine he's thinking of folding an ace pf. Your hand is super disguised. Unless you know he's somebody that NEVER plays back, there's no way a fold is good.
amen
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03-30-2009 , 05:30 AM
woohoo im back in business.

Villain is 22/18 agrression on flop 2.1 and on turn 1.7 over 3k hands. WTSD 28%. No common history.

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BB: $275.30
BTN: $195.00
Hero (SB): $218.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 8 K T (2 players)
Hero bets $8.40, BB calls $8.40

Turn: ($28.80) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $14.40, BB raises to $62, Hero folds
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03-30-2009 , 05:35 AM
Original raiser is a very floatable player (flop cbet% 85, turn cbet 28%). River bettor is a 33/18 aggressive player with 4.7 river aggression factor and a WTSD of "only" 26.

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Hero (BTN): $272.10
SB: $134.05
BB: $234.35
CO: $305.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with Q K
CO raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 1 fold, BB calls $5

Flop: ($22.00) T K T (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $18.00, Hero calls $18, BB calls $18

Turn: ($76.00) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks
(wasn't really pleased with my hand and was planning on calling a 1/2 pot bet on a non non A or J river.)

River: ($76.00) 7 (3 players)
BB bets $76.00, CO folds, Hero folds
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03-30-2009 , 08:45 AM
Hand 1: If you are going to bet 1/2 pot on turn it's to induce him to raise. He did so just get it in. Regardless, I just get it in here bvb against a regular.

Hand 2: Fold There's no way this is a bluff more than 1/3 of the time.
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03-30-2009 , 08:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
woohoo im back in business.

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with K A
I'm just getting back into it too, Karp! Welcome back

Just based on your stats, he seems like the kind of player that is capable of making a move, particularly if you've been playing/betting it up a bunch and its 3-handed. I would have called the turn and check/called the river. He is repping an extremely small range -- exactly KT, or a set, or maybe T8. He's not calling much if you raise, let him continue to bluff it off.

Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with Q K
I play it the same if I hadn't 3-bet pre-flop.
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03-30-2009 , 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
Hand 1: If you are going to bet 1/2 pot on turn it's to induce him to raise. He did so just get it in. Regardless, I just get it in here bvb against a regular.
I think this was talked on some video I watched. I'm betting 1/2 pot for value here - not to induce a raise. I've actually made my bets smaller on wet boards too (there was some equity vs. value calculations which seemed to make sense to wise people (obv not me)) and you'd be amazed by the the junk that end up calling three 1/2 pot bets when they used to call just one PSB with the same junk.

Anyways that was just on the bet sizing itself.

Mike, gl!
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03-31-2009 , 12:47 AM
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BB: $80.00
UTG: $192.40
Hero (MP): $467.00
CO: $413.70
BTN: $1723.30
SB: $454.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is MP with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $12, CO calls $12, 3 folds

Flop: ($30.00) J 6 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $20.00, CO calls $20

Turn: ($70.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $47.00, CO raises to $124, Hero ?????

vill is a big winner at 2/4 and 3/6. no history, he shouldn't have a read on hero.

Last edited by bengiec; 03-31-2009 at 01:05 AM.
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03-31-2009 , 01:44 AM
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MP1: $3.20
Hero (MP2): $17.25
CO: $13.30
BTN: $20.19
SB: $21.82
BB: $26.47
UTG: $38.30
UTG+1: $27.24
UTG+2: $7.38

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP2 with 7 6
4 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.00) 8 T 9 (4 players)
SB bets $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $3, BTN raises to $19.94 all in, SB folds, Hero calls $14 all in

I was trying to loosen up a bit, started limping suited connecting hands in late position and seeing what happens. If I'm taking this approach, should I just be raising here PF?

SB was pretty loose, like a 20/30 type guy, and then BTN was relatively new to the table, lost his money without showing a hand.

Is his shove repping QJ, or this over shove yelling "I HAVE A MADE HAND ON A DRAWY BOARD", which was what I eventually leaned towards, just not sure about it.
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