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09-30-2008 , 12:43 PM
hey guys, i'm planing to grind forenoon nl100 multitabling and therefore w/ a solid nitstyle.

could you help me w/ openingranges ect? i have no clue what i can open and not b/c i'm used to play something like 28/24 in shorthanded cash.

my openraising ideas:
BU: 22+, A2s+, A8o+, K9s+, KTo+, QT+, JT+;
CO: 22+, A5s+, A9o+, KT+, QT+, JT;
UTG/HJ: 22+, A8s+, A9o+, KJ+, QJ+, JTs;

is that okay? or can i even be tighter? i'm obv. buying in for 100bb, not shortstack strat. to me the above range feels extremly tight, i really don't know where i can kill some additional hands. would be cool if someone could tell me also what he's openraising at a fulltable and defending in the blinds.
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09-30-2008 , 01:18 PM
I open wayyyy wider otb and considerably tighter utg.

Also, forenoon? I don't really understand what effect that has on your opening ranges.
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09-30-2008 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blueson
hey guys, i'm planing to grind forenoon nl100 multitabling and therefore w/ a solid nitstyle.

could you help me w/ openingranges ect? i have no clue what i can open and not b/c i'm used to play something like 28/24 in shorthanded cash.

my openraising ideas:
BU: 22+, A2s+, A8o+, K9s+, KTo+, QT+, JT+;
CO: 22+, A5s+, A9o+, KT+, QT+, JT;
UTG/HJ: 22+, A8s+, A9o+, KJ+, QJ+, JTs;

is that okay? or can i even be tighter? i'm obv. buying in for 100bb, not shortstack strat. to me the above range feels extremly tight, i really don't know where i can kill some additional hands. would be cool if someone could tell me also what he's openraising at a fulltable and defending in the blinds.

Throw out some of those aces utg. If you want to open wider go with suited connectors. You'll have a hard time playing suited connectors profitably utg but opening wider will ultimately get your bigger hands paid off way way more.

Definitely open wider on the button. Of course, if you are just starting then there's nothing wrong with the tight is right strat.
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09-30-2008 , 02:21 PM
forenoon because afternoon im grinding sngs and cause i wanna grind a ton of rake i'd like to 12table nl100.
ditch digger, u wanna dump JT ect in the example above? i thought this was pretty standart open in 6max?! anyways, ty v much
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09-30-2008 , 04:04 PM
12 tabling 6 max is...hard. esp if you're putting yourself in iffy spots with dominated aces oop.
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09-30-2008 , 04:59 PM
UTG I would go with 22+, ATs+, AJo+, suited broadways, and KQo. Playing nitty I would drop AJo and KQo. At nl100 or less I wouldn't bother adding any deceptive hands.

As for the BTN and CO, are you looking for default ranges you would open regardless of who is behind you? I mean, what I open from the CO is heavily dependent on who the BTN and blinds are. Same goes for who is in the blinds when I'm OTB. I'm not sure what I would choose for a default open from these positions.
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09-30-2008 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blueson
forenoon because afternoon im grinding sngs and cause i wanna grind a ton of rake i'd like to 12table nl100.
ditch digger, u wanna dump JT ect in the example above? i thought this was pretty standart open in 6max?! anyways, ty v much
You can play it but it's not going to be much of a winner. If you insist on playing a ton of tables I wouldn't be anymore than a 18/15 and I'm sure you can play tighter and still be a big winner at NL100.

Instead of grinding a ton of rake I would play less tables and be more focused on learning.
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09-30-2008 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
I would play less tables and be more focused on learning.
Though this not apply to all. I mean the learning part. Often I find it very hard learning when playing since I tend to be results oriented and/or emotional. I learn the best when I mark the hand and go through it with someone after the session.

But Ditch is right on the cutting tables for sure.
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09-30-2008 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Though this not apply to all. I mean the learning part. Often I find it very hard learning when playing since I tend to be results oriented and/or emotional. I learn the best when I mark the hand and go through it with someone after the session.

But Ditch is right on the cutting tables for sure.
I agree that you need to review hands. Cutting tables allows you to see showdowns and bet sizes from other players on hands you aren't involved in. Really helps you recognize patterns and helps you exploit good and bad players in the future.
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10-01-2008 , 12:11 AM
Hey guys,

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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UTG: $400
CO: $400
BTN: $400
Hero (SB): $400
BB: $400

Pre-Flop: J A dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero ???

another pretty basic discussion with a friend of mine. Assuming UTG is unknown, no HUD stats, Hero has a somewhat laggro image. I said that this is a fold, he said it would be weak and called.

Opinions?
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10-01-2008 , 12:15 AM
I'd prob fold here until I had stats or a specific reason to play the hand.
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10-01-2008 , 12:44 AM
Yeah I'd fold.
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10-01-2008 , 02:18 AM
i agree learning is better, but i really wanna grind rake now for say 10-12 weeks (63% RB) and making some money. learning is heavily time consuming and my winrate does not improve from 1 to 100 in 2-3 weeks. its a very slowly process. ill be learning after this grindweeks when i go back to university and im playing like everybody else 1, 2 or 3 hours a day
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10-01-2008 , 05:30 AM
ok nl 100 is supersoft

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10-01-2008 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bones
It's not my standard, but I disagree that not jamming this flop is criminal or whatever. I feel like there's a bunch of value in being able to win pots on later streets especially against someone who is already likely to be suspicious of my flop action.
If you call with a potentially dominated hand versus someone who might be doing so with a light range, when you hit the monster flop, which two overs and a 2nd NFD is, go ahead and get the monies in.
And villain has an overpair where he went for a stack a donk line on the turn, very often.

Make sure to price in weaker draws on the flop, that is how you value town him.

This hand makes me think you have FPS. Against a real good player, I kind of like it. As I think he has to lay down JJ, QQ.

DONT LET it go to ur head, no FPS plz.
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10-02-2008 , 01:54 AM
Im making the jump to HU cash . Still gonna play sngs at night to get my $1500 bonuses . has anybody else made this jump?
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10-02-2008 , 02:09 AM
think of it like

KJs on Ts5d4s has lots of equity vs villain's range in that hand. on that turn we lose some of that equity and it's not made up anywhere else.
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10-03-2008 , 09:22 PM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $57.55
SB: $40.65
Hero (BB): $59.15
UTG: $56.05
CO: $57.80

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J A
UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75


SB is a passive fish, think 50/10 or so. UTG is unknown.

If it folds around to me I'm just folding this but with the fish calling is it worth squeezing against an unknown UTG? If no, what kind of vpip/pfr are you looking for in UTG to feel good about squeezing here?
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10-03-2008 , 09:27 PM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $50.00
CO: $38.90
Hero (BTN): $50.70
SB: $47.05
BB: $50.00
UTG: $65.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 7 7
UTG calls $0.50, MP raises to $2.50, CO calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold, BB calls $2, 1 fold

Flop: ($10.75) 3 5 5 (4 players)
BB checks, MP bets $5, CO folds, Hero calls $5, BB folds

Turn: ($20.75) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($20.75) 3 (2 players)
MP bets $10, Hero...?

Villain is 21/18/inf over 100 hands and he seems solid. Comments on the flop welcome too.
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10-03-2008 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $50.00
CO: $38.90
Hero (BTN): $50.70
SB: $47.05
BB: $50.00
UTG: $65.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 7 7
UTG calls $0.50, MP raises to $2.50, CO calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold, BB calls $2, 1 fold

Flop: ($10.75) 3 5 5 (4 players)
BB checks, MP bets $5, CO folds, Hero calls $5, BB folds

Turn: ($20.75) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($20.75) 3 (2 players)
MP bets $10, Hero...?

Villain is 21/18/inf over 100 hands and he seems solid. Comments on the flop welcome too.
I'd call. He is going to have AX along with pairs very often imo. Flop looks fine to me.
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10-03-2008 , 11:12 PM
Do you think he could be c-betting Ax into 3 opponents often enough?
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10-03-2008 , 11:55 PM
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Do you think he could be c-betting Ax into 3 opponents often enough?
That does make the cbet less likely if he's good, but this is nl50 and its a small cbet and he's got inf aggression postflop. So considering that, AX has got to be some part of his range I think. Plus you only need to win 30% or something for that call to be profitable.

If you dont think he's doing that with anything other than big pairs or better, just fold the flop. I doubt thats the case based on the info you posted about him.
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10-04-2008 , 11:48 AM
I'd fold the sevens. He can have a number of hands at this point, higher pp's less than Q obviously, as well as queens (QJ, KQ, etc). But analysis of his hand is not super necessary. What do you think he puts you on? Your line is not unlike someone getting a giant megaphone and yelling I HAVE A SMALL TO MEDIUM POCKET PAIR. He's made a bet sized to be called by those hands. Given that he seems like a decent player, this should alarm you. Honestly I think you're beaten probably 90% of the time.

Edit: Actually I'd rather raise than call as well. You rep something like A3s, some ridiculous backdoor clubs or maybe a horribly played 55. While that's a pretty ragged range to be repping, the alternative is that he puts you on a mid pair that you've turned into a bluff. I mean what else can you possibly have? Given that, if he's a thinking player, it's a pretty tough decision with TT or even QJ.

Last edited by ChrisV; 10-04-2008 at 11:55 AM.
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10-04-2008 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I'd fold the sevens. He can have a number of hands at this point, higher pp's less than Q obviously, as well as queens (QJ, KQ, etc). But analysis of his hand is not super necessary. What do you think he puts you on? Your line is not unlike someone getting a giant megaphone and yelling I HAVE A SMALL TO MEDIUM POCKET PAIR. He's made a bet sized to be called by those hands. Given that he seems like a decent player, this should alarm you. Honestly I think you're beaten probably 90% of the time.
I agree with you. Given that, and that he c-bet into 3 players, would you just muck it on the flop, or still call and hope to make it to showdown without putting any more money in the pot?

Regarding raising, I don't know enough about him yet to try that. I see you're not advocating a raise, just saying it's better than a call.

Edit: one more question on the river bet

Given my hand is face up, why can't he be bluffing AK here? Would you be more inclined to call if he bet more instead of his raise size which looks a lot like a vlaue bet?

Last edited by Jbrochu; 10-04-2008 at 12:45 PM.
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10-05-2008 , 01:30 AM
Yeah I probably just fold the flop. You're going to face a big bet on any Broadway turn (the reason you didn't here is because he has a hand where betting would turn it into a bluff).

He isn't bluffing AK on the river because he has clearly deliberately sized the bet to be called. He isn't doing some 15th-level thinking "Wait, I'll tarp him by making him think I'm valuetowning a mid pair so he folds!". He has no idea who you are and has to assume that you'll instacall a small bet.
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