I think I would be breaking even or losing at >50% of 2/4 tables if I was forced to play this way with no game selection.

Looks like he'll find out for himself soon enough if he keeps doing that. Hope he doesnt need that money for anything other than poker.

I mean to be fair it's only a product (for me at least) of the fact that he's 3betting excessively. I think I could win playing 32/24, and probably could do 32/27 at a deep table. But he's 3betting way too much to be able to leverage the kind of postflop edge you need to win playing that many hands 100bbs deep.

What is it about those stats that tell you he's 3betting excessively? (or even 3betting with any frequency?)

Because his VPIP and PFR are so big and so close together. People would have to almost never be raising in front of him for him to be playing that way without 3betting a lot and he's def not coldcalling nearly enough.

Both hands involve the same villain. This is my first session online in about 4 months. No HUD but he's easily 90/10 and is a calling station on every street except river where he has made a *bunch* of over-bet shoves just like this. Not long ago he won a huge pot vs me when he turned a flush with T4ss vs my two pair of AK on this board *** TURN *** [Ad,3s,Js],[Ks] when he check/called the turn then over-bet 2x pot on the river.

Hand #1
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BTN: $457.50
SB: $211.25
BB: $109.30
UTG: $103.05
Hero (MP): $121.25
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 8 6 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($7.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($7.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BTN raises to $92, Hero...


UTG was somewhere like 10/10 total (and tighter than that from UTG prolly) and tanked for a long time on the river... same villain obv. I'm curious about my call on the flop as well. If UTG was paying attention (and he seemed like he could be) I don't think he cbets AK with the dork in the hand as well as me...

Hand #2
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SB: $492.80
BB: $258.70
UTG: $100.00
MP: $96.55
Hero (CO): $112.60
BTN: $132.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with J J
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.00) 6 4 3 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10, SB calls $10

Turn: ($43.00) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($43.00) 5 (3 players)
SB bets $183, UTG folds, Hero...

OK, that's what I figured too...more of an assumption, but with 4k hands with those stats it seems like a very reasonable assumption.

no.

I don't think it is going to be profitable for anyone oop. You are playing is simply to flop a draw and get it in. It'd be better if you had JTs or something that can make top pair.

This also assumes you're villain is 3betting really light. I usually just let it go. Also, with hands like this, that seem to pretty to fold, you can always limp/call with an aggro 3betting villain in the BB.

no. Where's ur edge?

Mike, I fold both of those hands.

I just don't find people making these ridiculous over bet river bluffs enough to call. The people that are doing it a lot, it'll be obv.

In the first hand, I know he's not really a thinking player, but you hand is just so obvious that I just don't think he's going to try to bet you off Ax here. Although his nut range is very small here (straight), you don't know him well enough to know how he'll value bet two pair. He might bet two pair like this, despite it being very difficult for you to call with worse, and this opens up his range for made hands playing this way on the river.

Second hand is strange, but the tank shove screams strength to me. 55,44,33, 67 are all reasonable not to mention guys that play this way are bad enough to peel with 78 or A2 here as well. Basically, you have to hope his turning something like A5, 54, or 43 into a bluff.

Both super easy folds. I know it's tempting to call because you can put him on a hand you beat but his range is pretty much never going to have enough hands you beat to give you odds to call massive overbets.

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SB: $198.00
BB: $299.55
UTG: $200.00
Hero (CO): $218.20
BTN: $179.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with J Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15.00) T Q K (2 players)
Hero bets $11, BTN raises to $28, Hero...?

Villain is 20/16/inf only 50 hands seems solid and we've not really got involved with each other. I'm running 20/18.

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BTN: $164.30
SB: $198.00
BB: $408.45
UTG: $205.15
Hero (MP): $243.65
CO: $341.05

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with K J
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($15.00) A Q 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $71, BB calls $49

Turn: ($157.00) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $34, Hero...?

Villain is running 31/18/4 over 70 hands and makes a lot of weird plays. Mini-raises, cib's, etc. I'm pretty sure he has FPS but when he calls my semi-bluff on the flop I don't feel very good until he makes that dorky turn lead.

I'm running 22/18/4

I will start by saying I don't like calling. Your outs are all pretty tainted. You might only be drawing to your straight outs, and drawing to four straights do not give good implied odds.

So, I'd either raise/shove, or fold. Given your read, and not much of a reason to think he's getting out of line with you, I'd just fold.

Shoving seems like giving money away, so I'd just take the sick price and call.

I didn't write down stats but I remember him being pretty fishy, in a loose/passive kind of way. (NOT same villain as my previous two hands)

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BB: $100.00
UTG: $115.10
MP: $145.60
Hero (CO): $172.05
BTN: $16.35
SB: $188.45

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 6 8
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.00) 6 J 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.50, SB calls $6.50

Turn: ($22.00) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13, SB raises to $177.95 all in, Hero...

FWIW, when he shoved and I timebanked, he said, "2 pair".
I feel like this is a semi-easy fold, and would be more hard pressed if I had top-two pair here, or even bottom set. Am I way off?

I feel like I butchered this hand so bad, but which street was worse? Preflop I've been limping behind on the *button only* with some of these non-suited connectors. How bad is that? Original plan was to limp this pot and just bet almost every flop and take it down probably 60% of the time or more based on the original limper.

Original limper was fishy (limping/passive/weak post) but only 14 hands or so and ...
BB seemed decent for the 20 or so hands he's been around...

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CO: $32.70
Hero (BTN): $140.05
SB: $38.65
BB: $201.10
UTG: $325.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 7 6
1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4.00) 6 5 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $13, SB folds, BB calls $10, CO calls $10

Turn: ($43.00) 6 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($43.00) J (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $18.70 all in, Hero calls $18.70, BB raises to $40, Hero...

I personally would reraise here. He seems solid, a lot of hands he would hold that are *currently* beating you he would have 3-bet pre-flop especially if you had been your usual theiving self. So I think you have a lot of equity based on his hands he just calls on the button with. Calling and missing the turn puts you in a tough spot OOP and could get bluffed off the best hand. His aggression makes this an easy shove imo.

The semi-bluff on the flop I think is good, and would do it myself prolly >50% of the time, except in this case vs a fishy player they never fold their ace (or whatever top pair is). I might have just called the flop in this case already getting great odds.

Again, on the turn, based on what little we know about him, I 'd just make the profitable call. You'll stack him when he hits his diamond kicker every single time as well.

I would bet $7.50/$8ish on that flop and then maybe something like $17 on the turn. Against a passive player I like your fold even though the huge overbet smells like a semi-bluff.

I think I call because a lot of fish will play AA/KK like that, but I think a fold is fine.

This hand is a pretty big wreck.
I think raise > limp >fold preflop. You have the button just raise and cbet and win money.

Flop I think call > raise since people never fold on this board and your hand isn't that strong.

Turn is an auto bet you have the best hand a lot and people won't fold top pair or flush draws or straight draws.

I would probably raise the river once the shorty shove and vomit and call once the bb raises because you are getting such good odds.

I don't mind limping behind those types of hands from position trying to make a big hand. Especially if the table is loose/passive and will pay off with one pair type hands, and you think you're unlikely to get squeezed light.

I would have bet the turn about $28 and would make a crying call on the river because BB's line doesn't make any sense for a hand that's ahead of you. Plus you're getting good pot odds. I can't see how he can plan to c/r the river with a hand that beats yours after that turn action.

I think that's a good point.

raise pf and isolate the limper. as played, i,d call the river but i'm not too happy about it.

easy fold, imo. you are likely up against 2pr or a combo draw and his draws are better than yours.

CO: $32.70
Hero (BTN): $140.05
SB: $38.65
BB: $201.10
UTG: $325.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 7 6
1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

You did see his stack is only 30bb deep? I thought that made a pretty significant difference on raising and isolating vs just limping behind on the button (or just folding). But limped because I could win the small pot such a big % of the time on the flop.