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02-17-2010 , 08:07 PM
Poker Stars $7.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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SB: t1590 M = 35.33
BB: t1490 M = 33.11
UTG: t1580 M = 35.11
UTG+1: t1470 M = 32.67
Hero (UTG+2): t1530 M = 34
MP1: t1890 M = 42
MP2: t1045 M = 23.22
CO: t1465 M = 32.56
BTN: t1440 M = 32

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG+2 with K K
2 folds, Hero raises to t90, MP1 calls t90, 1 fold, CO calls t90, 3 folds

Flop: (t315) 9 5 4 (3 players)
Hero bets t180, MP1 calls t180, CO folds

Turn: (t675) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t300, MP1 calls t300

River: (t1275) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t300, Hero folds

Bet more on the flop, I know.
What the heck do I do on the turn? That's the worst possible card to peel off.
Is this a pot odds/crying call on the river?
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02-17-2010 , 08:24 PM
Hey
Maybe more preflop in early positon i'd prefer 120
Hit that flop wayyy harder!! 3way you gotta make it close to pot I make it at least 280 on this flop.
I check call the turn perhaps. As played I cannot beliiiiieve you folded river i mean WTF this river is a complete blank effectively.
It's ridiculous to call the turn if you want to check fold this river.

(you are wondering how to play the turn. If you hit the flop harder you price him out of flush draws pretty well (altho i'd expect him to come over the top often with FD+overs) and it makes your turn decision easier
As played on the flop you could check call this turn to control the pot I mean a villain can easily have TT-JJ/A9. If he hits the turn after he calls a bigger bet on the flop I could advocate a check fold on the turn if his hand is made up entirely of sets and flushes. Overcards are very possible here fwiw. A random may want to peel one here with AQ. Underrepping your hand can cost you a lot of money.
How often do you think 67 gets in here? Probably not that often.

in short, either check fold turn or check call those last two streets. Your underbet on the flop has led to this confusion where you could be up against full houses/flushes or overcards.
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02-18-2010 , 03:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by entim
in short, either check fold turn or check call those last two streets. Your underbet on the flop has led to this confusion where you could be up against full houses/flushes or overcards.
Why would you ever c/c the turn ? Betting or c/f is way better imo. I like the turn bet since you can still get value from tp-ish and pair+draw. These hands will most likely check the turn and the hands that have you beat will bet.

On the river you really need to make a plan before doing anything else. Imo the options are
1) betting to get value from pairs
or
2) c/f since villain is most likely not betting anything you beat.
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