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10-23-2010 , 08:21 PM
I have been really active


Poker Stars $25.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 8 players
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Tippinator22 (MP1): t2880 96 BBs
salmon30 (MP2): t3850 128.33 BBs
ragamuffin44 (CO): t2960 98.67 BBs
Hero (BTN): t3519 117.30 BBs
Timorm1 (SB): t3985 132.83 BBs
fogdevil (BB): t1335 44.50 BBs
gabe_aces5 (UTG): t2620 87.33 BBs
fuzzzy7navel (UTG+1): t2250 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with J J
3 folds, salmon30 raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero raises to t270, 2 folds, salmon30 calls t180

Flop: (t585) 2 A A (2 players)
salmon30 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t585) 9 (2 players)
salmon30 checks, Hero bets t270, salmon30 raises to t540, Hero
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10-23-2010 , 09:19 PM
the min reraise from villian seems pretty weak. You checked the flop so you showed weakness and your turn bet in villans eyes looks bluffy. I think hes just trying a min raise bluff here or maybe he caught a flushdraw or a 9. I think him having the A here is more rare because he would not be checking the flop and turn. I call his raise then call most rivers.
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10-23-2010 , 09:42 PM
I'm sure you still beat some draws/bluffs, so I can't get myself to fold. Call and evaluate river.
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10-24-2010 , 12:02 AM
Eh I think its an ace more often than the above posters, but I'm not quite sure enough to fold. I call.

Actually don't hate just checking turn again and then firing most rivers if checked to again, or calling if he leads out. Not sure you get 2 streets of value from worse often at all and a river bet will likely get looked up pretty light. He can also try to bluff or value bet worse on the river.

Last edited by dcdoorknob; 10-24-2010 at 12:30 AM.
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10-24-2010 , 12:06 AM
call and fold most river bets
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10-24-2010 , 12:50 AM
flat pre tho
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10-24-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by higher voltage
flat pre tho
doubt it. b/f turn looks good
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10-24-2010 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by higher voltage
flat pre tho
3bing JJ is good when you've been active, but you have to call off against alot of villians
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10-24-2010 , 02:47 AM
bet flop

as played fold turn
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10-24-2010 , 03:09 AM
3b pre is good with button, he will hood a ton

I'd b/f the flop cause he'll peel with a bunch of pairs

I'd check turn....I don't think he's really gonna call a bet with 66 now or anything, we block some FD combos that he can have (not a huge deal but eliminates some xhxh combos he'll open with/call 3b with pre). I think he's more likely to bluff river or pay off a river bet if we check twice rather than once, and we're never getting 2 streets anyways if he has a lower pair.

As played fold turn.
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10-24-2010 , 03:12 AM
i think we can honestly get two streets from like 88 or something now, obviously two streets is definately all were getting on this flop texture but i think going for turn/river here is going to be good...ppl make hella mistakes when we show weakness on flops by checking and we get some crazy calldowns on turns/rivers such as k high even
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10-24-2010 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
I have been really active
t15/t30 Blinds
O RLY?

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Originally Posted by sunnydunerz
doubt it. b/f turn looks good
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Originally Posted by tonytwotimes
3bing JJ is good when you've been active, but you have to call off against alot of villians

Even if you think that you've been "active" its very doubtful that villain, let alone anyone has noticed. 3betting to induce a 100bb stack-off with a worse hand is very very optimistic

Last edited by higher voltage; 10-24-2010 at 04:17 AM. Reason: as played... bet/fold turn is fine IMO
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10-24-2010 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sunnydunerz
i think we can honestly get two streets from like 88 or something now, obviously two streets is definately all were getting on this flop texture but i think going for turn/river here is going to be good...ppl make hella mistakes when we show weakness on flops by checking and we get some crazy calldowns on turns/rivers such as k high even
i think you get more calls from pairs by a bet, check, bet line. A check, bet, bet line has a lot more Ax's in your perceived range imo therefore making them much more reluctant to pay off.
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10-24-2010 , 04:50 AM
yeah thats true i guess both lines have their merits thinking about it a bit more i guess betting flop and rivers is good
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10-24-2010 , 04:58 AM
as played i think u call the turn and decide what to do on the river, a lot of donks will minraise an A here and seeing as you dont have much info on villian and its only a 27 buy in tourney it is def possible that hes min raising an A...i usually give a villian who i dont have any info on credit this early unless they give me reason to believe otherwise

i might have opted to c/c the turn and decide what to do on the river..if he checks behind on the turn, u value bet the river, granted you lose a street of value against mid pairs but you save money on times where villian does have an ace..if he bets on the turn after a check then , and decide what to do on the river based on the bet sizing
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10-24-2010 , 05:44 AM
had a short talk with eeetee about the hand, thought where to get value here was interesting

[9:46:24 p.m.] : http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...a-flat-903821/
[9:46:27 p.m.] : elliot wug thoughts
[9:46:34 p.m.] : turn/river or flop/river
[9:46:55 p.m.] : i think its interesting and both lines have their merits
[9:48:14 p.m.] Elliot: bet flop
[9:48:20 p.m.] Elliot: probbaly reraising vs most players
[9:52:00 p.m.] Elliot: yeha i think bet flop is best
[9:52:06 p.m.] Elliot: because thats what we'd do with air
[9:52:11 p.m.] : yeah
[9:52:12 p.m.] Elliot: i think check is ok but not optimal
[9:52:29 p.m.] : i mean
[9:52:31 p.m.] Elliot: honestly think turn is a fold
[9:52:32 p.m.] : hes obv just clicking buttons
[9:52:41 p.m.] : villian that is
[9:52:42 p.m.] : i mean
[9:52:51 p.m.] : he wont think about what were checking back flop with and what we rep
[9:53:04 p.m.] : he may think 'o he cheked flop he mustnt have anything'
[9:53:14 p.m.] : i knew thats what i thought when i started playing LOL
[9:53:53 p.m.] Elliot: loll
[9:54:06 p.m.] Elliot: i mean turn sucks but what we gonna do call then fold all rivers?
[9:54:13 p.m.] Elliot: like thats our plan i dont see anyone calling without reads unless its small
[9:54:18 p.m.] : i said b/f turn yeah
[9:54:27 p.m.] : and i agree
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10-24-2010 , 05:50 AM
bet flop as played b/f turn.

3-b pre is perfectly fine you'll get flatted by worse often having been active.
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