I think I am ok with flop and turn though given sizing I obv could raise....thoughts on the river raise? I was folding to a repop

figure my line looks like a missed draw enough to get some thin value

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Tufro (MP1): t4491 M = 99.80
ur7mike (MP2): t2640 M = 58.67
wilsonlogic (CO): t2780 M = 61.78
wil191 (BTN): t4730 M = 105.11
Hero (SB): t2970 M = 66
cohen8 (BB): t2365 M = 52.56
DaTruf_88 (UTG): t3015 M = 67
ZingZealZest (UTG+1): t3385 M = 75.22
chiusano59 (UTG+2): t2130 M = 47.33

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is SB with K 7
2 folds, chiusano59 calls t30, 4 folds, Hero calls t15, cohen8 checks

Flop: (t90) J K 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, cohen8 checks, chiusano59 bets t30, Hero calls t30, cohen8 folds

Turn: (t150) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, chiusano59 bets t30, Hero calls t30

River: (t210) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, chiusano59 bets t30, Hero raises to t150,

This is thin, if you believe he is on a missed draw im just inclined to call on the river as he is unlikely to call your raise and your just risking being bluffed out of the hand. I can see betting for value from villian holding some Jx type hand but its just a bit to uncertain so i just sigh/call imo.

lead the turn and the river, might lead the flop too

This, although i dont lead flop.

I dont think a player who is betting like this is aware of this. I dont like raising the river

B/f river. I know you wanted that 30 though

kind of similar

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oldcynic (UTG+1): t3563 M = 23.75
POKERPIMPZ69 (MP): t4728 M = 31.52
dedwud (CO): t5685 M = 37.90
Shhh00kem (BTN): t2625 M = 17.50
stef0707 (SB): t11234 M = 74.89
Hero (BB): t4615 M = 30.77
humachines (UTG): t2505 M = 16.70

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with A 7
5 folds, stef0707 calls t50, Hero checks

Flop: (t200) 8 A 4 (2 players)
stef0707 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t200) J (2 players)
stef0707 bets t100, Hero calls t100

River: (t400) 3 (2 players)
stef0707 bets t100, Hero raises to t500, stef0707 calls t400

Seems fine, maybe go 350 OTT.

1) c/r flop vs this sizing, c/c vs a bigger bet. i think folding pre is ok too. raising is prolly ok too and cbetting most flops -> profit
2) i like, raising turn is prob fine as well to charge the turn draws he might be betting

you guys are missing sort of my point...by raising we fold out a lot of their worst value hands and bluffs...we also sorely underrep our hand...and we keep the pot manageable with hands, though with some equity, are a step above rags...

we do allow them to draw...or spike two pairs but we should be able to get away if they start pumping their bets...

The call, call, call line with these hands is my usual default but I am testing out the new twist of raise/folding the river for thin value

they never put us on TP hands and I think we maximize our total value on hands like these

yeah seriously both of these are fine altho donks are way more likely to minbet every street with like middle pair or whatever when they are oop..

how do you maximize the value with calling 30 when they would call a reraise to 90? + you give them the chance to improve to flush/twopair/etc

@sunny, whats your new avatar?

because they are folding a huge % of their range to a c/r that we want to call??

because if we go to 90 we don't get 3 streets?

because if we c/r we can't do the river value play?

because if we c/r and they flat we have built a bigger pot OOP with a marginal hand?

I understand that the small bets make us want to raise but the bottom line is we are the ones who are supposed to be smart enough to control the pot so it's size is appropriate to our hand strength

they dont fold to the 90 fme because you checked the flop and they think they are good
then turn is a blank and they call 150 or something.
by the turn we got 240 and then we can check the river (and call 30 )

you also dont know if he is going to bet 30 OTT when you call the 30, then you check the turn and give him the chance to check behind for free -> 2 streets for a bet of 30. seems kinda silly as max value line ssnyc sry

we dont have a marginal hand, we have the toppest of pairs vs a minbet.

pic from mgmt kids remix video , hof

if they called with worse you got more value than I would have.

I think the first is fine because we can rep missed draws but there's just not enough in the second that I think they can call with

so we expect them to fold? or have a better hand? Will they put us on a K?

I know this is thin and out of the box but given our line I am not sure they will be diving to the fold button esp after they invest chips

I think they can call with worse it's thinnish but I think it's fine sorry with regard to the first

with regard to the second I think they fold worse and snap better

I like both. TBH these are value raises that most of us probably miss a lot. Players that minbet multiple streets are exactly the type to snap call whatever pair they have OTR without really thinking about it. Not to mention what ssnyc said, they usually pump up their bets a bit when they spike two pair.

I have no problems with the way you played it. While I acknowledge you run the risk of your opponents catching two pair with this strategy, I think that it can be effective. I would have probably raised on the turn though, just to gauge where you were.

too thin to raise the river

why? is he betting 100 into 400 with a big hand?

I mean the K7 hand

still...please explain why you think it is too thin...because we are behind? or cause he can't call worse...

As stated this is a new line for me and in the past I would just call and be happy but I think with an underrepped hand vs stations there is value to the river play

First of all, your hand is not underrepped, I saw lots of players silly bet like this and show up with weak k or J almost all the time(He defin bet larger/chk with ace high or TT otf or ott, and dont think villain is dunb enough to put u on a busted draw as u didnt raise OTT or OTF as his tinny bet size, and raise 5x otr, he is gonna call u so often otr (not with worse) and theres large percent he showed up a hand simily as yours..(or maybe better)

Villain is a station doesnt mean he bet call this one with worse ..And stations can be very tricky sometimes
Also, Id love to see his hole cards takin a note instead makin value this earlier, and blah blah all the table imagin staff..