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01-22-2010 , 09:54 AM
hand one is on the exact bubble...8 left 7 paid...opener had been 3 xing most of his mid pairs up to 1010 so far...no read on flatter...shove OK?

Hand two there are 9 left 7 paid...one micro stack (already all in the blinds) and I am not far behind...we get it in here?

Hand #1
Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 8 players
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Hero (BB): t6020 M = 3.76
BoatyM69 (UTG): t6930 M = 4.33
brianallen23 (UTG+1): t15280 M = 9.55
TJ1971 (MP1): t10671 M = 6.67
toreyoops (MP2): t7295 M = 4.56
aru39 (CO): t11358 M = 7.10
mrtastee (BTN): t3985 M = 2.49
ChunkaMonka (SB): t5961 M = 3.73

Pre Flop: (t1600) Hero is BB with A Q
1 fold, brianallen23 raises to t2400, 2 folds, aru39 calls t2400, 2 folds, Hero raises to t5970 all in,


Hand #2
Poker Stars $25+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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diegopioo (SB): t315 M = 0.21
intpaindoctr (BB): t6287 M = 4.15
akaginsf (UTG): t9442 M = 6.23
gg46 (UTG+1): t8942 M = 5.90
RenRad 01 (UTG+2): t14963 M = 9.88
jujuzinhaaaa (MP1): t9257 M = 6.11
Hero (MP2): t1830 M = 1.21
ASCS1 (CO): t4544 M = 3.00
DTC99 (BTN): t11920 M = 7.87

Pre Flop: (t1515) Hero is MP2 with 6 6
akaginsf raises to t3115, 3 folds, Hero ?
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01-22-2010 , 10:05 AM
2 I get it in, the one microstack doesn't matter much since we still could bubble if he busts and it's nice that we have a hand and UTG is isolating a pot for us, basically increasing our own FE as well. Our stack is so short that our own FE of shoving in a later hand is so small (when we likely would have a weaker hand than 66 anyway) that imo it's better to pick up on the bigger stack's raise.

1 I'd ship as well, shove is so cEV+ that I don't mind bubbling here sometimes...Only considering a fold if one guy or more are basically out.
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01-22-2010 , 10:06 AM
i think hand 1 is fine
iam not a lover of AQ but what are you going to do, i expect UTG to push his entire stack here and force the MP player out of the pot and you are HU

hand 2 you gotta call imo
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01-22-2010 , 01:48 PM
Hand 1: The ICM oracle will almost certainly say to fold here. I do not.

Hand 2: It is close, I call here because microstack is in sb and is all-in. If he is not in the blinds it is a fold. Microstack has to beat both of you with a random hand for you to bubble.
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01-22-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brad2002tj
Hand 1: The ICM oracle will almost certainly say to fold here. I do not.

Hand 2: It is close, I call here because microstack is in sb and is all-in. If he is not in the blinds it is a fold. Microstack has to beat both of you with a random hand for you to bubble.
hand two there are 9 to start hand so micro can lose and I can still bubble
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01-22-2010 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
hand two there are 9 to start hand so micro can lose and I can still bubble
Oh, in that case it is still a call because there are no other micros.
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01-22-2010 , 02:22 PM
hand 1 i fold
no FE, rather take down uncontested pots.
if there is no flatter i like the shove.
the flatter increases the chance of beeing called and to bust, not really what we want here.

hand 2 is a call, i dont think there will be better spots the next hands.
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01-22-2010 , 02:39 PM
Are you overthinking or am I not as much of a nit as I think I am? Geez I snap both of these so fast your head would spin.

P.S. my new droid ftw! Never been able to post to 2p2 from work before.
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01-22-2010 , 02:43 PM
fold 1
call 2
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01-23-2010 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by furo
hand 1 i fold. no FE, rather take down uncontested pots.
in hand 1 he has M of 3.76 before he posts his big blind. if he folds after posting bb he'll have almost no FE in the for the SB next hand and if he folds in the SB he'll be crippled not to mention everyone will know he's shoving the next unopened pot with ATC so they'll play optimally against his tiny stack

this is his last chance to do anything other than sit back and just hope to get lucky
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01-23-2010 , 10:06 PM
Idk about #1, im pretty terrible at ICM

akaginsf is pretty aggressive and likes to abuse the bubble so u should be ahead of his range and your the 2nd lowest so I'd call
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01-23-2010 , 10:27 PM
Hand #1 is an ICM fold, also a fold if you can contain your hand scratch.

Hand #2 is a ship.
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01-24-2010 , 12:08 AM
I also feel like I have to puke when I fold #1
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