right or wrong if I make a well deserved spit call the results don't bother me much...so +life EV

and I got to make this cool post

i was about to berate your first paragraph for taking what i said way too seriously. but you ninja-edited your way to an A+ post

and this. even if i spite call and lose at least the bastard has to sweat it for a few seconds. +life ev either way imo =)

You should fold but i don't think i ever would.

oh I can fold..question is do we want to?

This

And this

certainly makes it an +EV call,and it's not that close!!!

Allow me to refer you to a little thing I wrote in my 45 man turbo guide *before* I read the deeb post. I think it might be applicable to the current situation:

"It's hard to let go of QQ after an A flops. But, generally, somebody has the Ace. If you raised preflop, go ahead and fire a c-bet into two villains, but give up if they raise or call. Don't fire into more than two villains, I promise that one of them has an Ace. One of the fundamental facts about the crappy players at these tournaments is that they always keep every ace."

there is however a vast difference when you are heads up and there are 2 aces on the flop...

the 10x pot shove is a strong and clearly underused move since it has our heads spinning.

I fold cause I am a nutpeddler.

I actually think the A is a special case for this reason: People think aces are magic. If the flop comes 2JJ, there's a pretty good chance that somebody threw away J4o. NOBODY (except us smart dudes) throws away aces. Ever. Ever ever. If one got dealt, it's sitting in somebody's donkish little hands waiting to bust you.

So, even though the paired A on the flop reduces the odds of an A getting dealt, you can be rest assured that if it did get dealt, somebody kept it even if you raised.

I had a friend that justified playing A-rag for the same reason that one could justify calling here. He reasoned that if he had an A, and there was an A on the board, the odds of somebody else having an A were poor. Note that the math in that situation is identical to the math here -- Two Aces accounted for.

Lol, where can I stove that ****?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
5,614,608,384 games 14.056 secs 399,445,673 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.314% 44.16% 00.15% 2479635860 8435762.67 { Being Rich }
Hand 1: 32.435% 32.28% 00.15% 1812641856 8435762.67 { Drunk Dialing }
Hand 2: 23.251% 23.10% 00.15% 1297023380 8435762.67 { Calling her Whore }


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LOL - QFTMFT!

Snapfold. Yeah, it's dumb to do this with an A or 55, but it's even dumber to do it without it. And I'm sure there will be people out there who might be worried that I'm saying fold due to my worshipping shaundeeb, so I'm posting this hand from deep in last week's Sunday 500 to alleviate your concerns:


PokerStars Game #24745046577: Tournament #137667659, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (4000/8000) - 2009/02/08 23:56:41 ET
Table '137667659 131' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: teamfranklin (364204 in chips)
Seat 2: tbt4653 (356841 in chips)
Seat 3: Nikosthebest (239102 in chips)
Seat 4: Egar1m (194231 in chips)
Seat 5: m_darcus (275474 in chips)
Seat 6: akat11 (156973 in chips)
Seat 7: sofa king AK (133132 in chips)
Seat 8: shaundeeb (454186 in chips)
Seat 9: holdplz (520973 in chips)
teamfranklin: posts the ante 800
tbt4653: posts the ante 800
Nikosthebest: posts the ante 800
Egar1m: posts the ante 800
m_darcus: posts the ante 800
akat11: posts the ante 800
sofa king AK: posts the ante 800
shaundeeb: posts the ante 800
holdplz: posts the ante 800
m_darcus: posts small blind 4000
akat11: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tbt4653 [4c Qd]
sofa king AK: folds
shaundeeb: raises 10500 to 18500
holdplz: folds
teamfranklin: folds
tbt4653: raises 22500 to 41000
Nikosthebest: folds
Egar1m: folds
m_darcus: folds
akat11: folds
shaundeeb: folds
Uncalled bet (22500) returned to tbt4653
tbt4653 collected 56200 from pot
tbt4653: shows [4c Qd] (high card Queen)
m_darcus said, "LOL"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 56200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: teamfranklin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tbt4653 collected (56200)
Seat 3: Nikosthebest folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Egar1m (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: m_darcus (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: akat11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: sofa king AK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: shaundeeb folded before Flop
Seat 9: holdplz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

but todd...your nitty image???

don't let them see the truth!!!!

God please link me to the lifeEV pokerstove patch! I really need to stop spewing my life value

been folding these spots since i was knee high to a grasshopper

i would fold this but i`m a nit and i only play lower mtts

sigh...so many of you missing point of exercise...obv folding is correct CEV play...but we are discussing FUEV and lifeEV...

loosen up peoples

When you do get it in in this spot and villian flips over JJ or TT it can be VERY +LEV and +FUEV.

trying to find this players range prolly isnt going to work because from his flop bet he is totally donklogical.... as prolly is most things he does.. fold here, wait for a better spot if you see him getting out of line then RAM IT IN HIS BUTTHOE

Results?

good for life EV..bad for stack EV...

I did outlast him only to lose a massive pot on bubble....

chip lead or out...I went out...such donkamentia