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parttime daddy seems a spewbox but no other reads

on the river...should we just flat the min raise?

or 3 bet as I did with the plan of folding to a 4 bet?

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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PETER ESTEVE (UTG+2): t3595 M = 79.89
YaBoy2187 (MP1): t5910 M = 131.33
Krrr87 (MP2): t6345 M = 141
ToucO777 (CO): t4110 M = 91.33
edsonim (BTN): t3015 M = 67
Hero (SB): t6135 M = 136.33
keepbees2 (BB): t5690 M = 126.44
paintbrush62 (UTG): t5940 M = 132
partimedaddy (UTG+1): t4705 M = 104.56

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is SB with 5 7
paintbrush62 calls t30, partimedaddy calls t30, 5 folds, Hero calls t15, keepbees2 checks

Flop: (t120) 6 J 2 (4 players)
Hero checks, keepbees2 checks, paintbrush62 checks, partimedaddy checks

Turn: (t120) 3 (4 players)
Hero checks, keepbees2 checks, paintbrush62 checks, partimedaddy checks

River: (t120) A (4 players)
Hero bets t120, keepbees2 raises to t240, paintbrush62 calls t240, partimedaddy calls t240, Hero raises to t750,

i think its a bit thin, its hard to come up with a range of hands over 3 players given this river action where no one has a flush yet all have 2pair or greater, especially due to the fact that until the river not one of the field put anything into the pot which really should restrict the frequency with which they have hands smaller than a flush but big enough to call a bet/raise/overcall in that order.

i actually do like the 3 bet/ fold in this situation. there is still value from quite a few big hands esp from the BB. He is going to have a flush to 4bet and you only beat like 6 flush combinations so you'd have to fol to the 4bet (plus he rarely 4bets with those flushes that we have beat anyway). wp IMO

I think it is fine, don't think we should autofold to a 4-bet but should probably fold. I also think this sort of spot is why rebuying right away in these things isn't always ideal as this is much easier if we only have 3k chips and a 2nd bullet (where we can 3-bet/call very easily and facing a wider range).

bump cause I think it is a kind of interesting spot

I probably flat multiway but would raise hu.

you cant just call the minraise on the river when you hit your flush, think 3bet/fold is best here, if he's going over the top again with a 4bet you got to give him credit for a hand though.

i like it, but I think I might just click it back again (def no more than 500 total). I think there is value here, but its deli thin so minimize loss and it ensures getting calls. Fold to 4-bet is mandatory. I kinda like a bet of like 90 on the turn too.

thought about betting the turn but so many droolers in the hand and I expect to get them to release almost never...also don't think the pot is big enough to set up to bluff a bricked river...TBH I think I c/ evaluate the turn here and maybe even fold to crazy action

I like your river thinking though just CIB seems to be losing value too...

the flatters never have the flush so we just have the min raiser to get through

maybe 625 better? dunno

idk, but i am almost never reraising here because i dont think the value to be had from their (collective) continuing range (if i reraise) is greater than the value to be had from their (collective) continuing range if i flat. In that reraising, i think, forces out most two pairs/str8s and almost no flushes, (and we only beat 1 flush). It also seems they may call ur reraise tighter as they seem to have already used their rebuy.

However, if we flat a number of those hands that we beat (str8/two pairs) will continue for the price.

Additionally, i expect atleast one player to have a better flush here due to the penchant for calling with suited cards at this level and the main villain did minraise ur pot bet.


I dont know if i am saying this rite and i dont have the maths to support it rite now, but it seems that raising here against 3 opponents is not +ev.

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i think flatting the min raise here is best...its early though so you could definately see crazier plays happening.

agreed, and the first reply explains why better than i could have. nice post ekky

yeah fist pump value raise here if you run into a better flush, cooler, you have to bump when it's the ace that makes your hand, bet size is fine on river in fact perfect size, and just check the turn coz you see how these droolers pay off on river anyway no need to bet turn -- wp

i'd just flat the river raise

the chips you loose early... etc + the range of the players that calls the bet/raise as played has you crushed.

I would flat too i think. Don't really see how a 3bet there has value,i mean it should fold most aces/2pair and should get called/4bet by all flushes (which probably have us crushed). I guess we get value from straights and so many ppl flatting shows us there is definetely one out there but the real problem is we are gonna fold to a sizeable 4bet right? So how often do we expect them to 4bet without a flush (is it never)?
Also i was wondering,what kind of 3bet (if any) do u ppl think would fold 8,9,10 high flushes?