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02-17-2009 , 04:30 PM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by sopoRific

I have a question for the people who like the 500/500/push (or similar) line -- how would you play this hand if hero had AK instead? Or an underpair?

still $500-600 pre...then evaluate board texture

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02-17-2009 , 04:39 PM

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sopoRific

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

still $500-600 pre...then evaluate board texture

How about a 9

board texture?

(I was really asking about flop play and beyond, maybe I should have mentioned this)

Last edited by sopoRific; 02-17-2009 at 04:41 PM. Reason: I took the emoticon less travelled by, / And that has made all the difference.

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02-17-2009 , 04:48 PM

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Merek007

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Yes, a shove may look bluffy, but can he call w A high?... Only calls are queens, nines, pps, maybe draws. ...IMO only shove if you want 85% folds and 15% calls.

500-600 on flop... give the big stack odds to draw to strt... hope the K makes his strt.,,,,, and you a FH. Let the 88 have hope and dreams of future wealth. Make them make a hard decsion and give them the chance to make a mistake. Make the world a better place by giving everyone hope. Then crush them like a bug.

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02-17-2009 , 04:51 PM

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ssnyc

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you guys need to remember that I said the villan had not been spewy post...for some I may put a 1/2 pot inducer but this guy seemed like the let others do the betting type...

maybe he calls a smaller bet...

wow...I really never considered that small a bet and yet now everyone says its standard

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02-17-2009 , 04:55 PM

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The_Jeebus

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its a nonturbo and youve got a shortstack... shove pre. If it was a turbo I would prob raise 5x and shove any flop

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02-17-2009 , 09:30 PM

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djkelly69

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

FWIW I did not even consider the tiny bet option...I would do that with 0 hands in my range so wasn't even on my radar...between a standard V bet size which I don't think left him enough room to come over the top and the shove and hope he has a hand

i think this spot is more about doing what will most likely make the villain spaz, rather than range balancing. i am really on doing it to induce a shove, but he doesnt know that.

villain sees a small bet on that flop, and either thinks you have it, or thinks you hate it and are FOS.

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02-17-2009 , 10:19 PM

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jfly

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after looking at the hand, its pretty damn likely villain is clueless. flatting a 13bb open from UTG...i actually like doing something dumb like 450 because he may call with his whole range and end up with good odds to call a turn shove

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02-17-2009 , 10:26 PM

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pajo!

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I'd just make a normal size c bet, where normal is the same size for what you have been c betting in previous pots in that particular tourney. For me, that's generally around 55% of the pot.

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02-17-2009 , 11:07 PM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by pajo!

I'd just make a normal size c bet, where normal is the same size for what you have been c betting in previous pots in that particular tourney. For me, that's generally around 55% of the pot.

considered that but didnt feel gave the villan any room to shove over...

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