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03-25-2011 , 11:01 AM

ssnyc

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opener is a min opening fish
3 bettor seems aggressive and competent but have not seen much
what is our flop play and plan?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8448532

SB: 4,213 (84.3 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,114 (62.3 bb)
UTG+2: 3,200 (64 bb)
MP1: 4,536 (90.7 bb)
MP2: 3,134 (62.7 bb)
MP3: 2,670 (53.4 bb)
CO: 2,708 (54.2 bb)
BTN: 4,855 (97.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

UTG+2 raises to 100, MP1 raises to 300, 5 folds, Hero raises to 850, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 550

Flop: (1,825) Q

(2 players)
Hero

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03-25-2011 , 11:18 AM

kongo_totte

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Aggro and competent?

In that case I c/fold. I mean, if he is compentent, he shouldn't really get to a flop like that w/ JJ-TT. Obv. he should probably not get to the flop like that with close to any hand, but I think AA-QQ and AK is more likely than JJ-99. If he checks behind, **** gets interesting.

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03-25-2011 , 11:39 AM

MackB2

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I always b/f here, but I assume that must be a leak. If you check flop and he checks behind you really can narrow in on what he has and can continue from there.

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03-25-2011 , 12:31 PM

qazikm2000

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your SPR is almost 1:1 so I think I would just c/f. I don't expect random villains to turn JJ into a bluff here like ever and there are blockers all over the place to any draw that villain may have.

had your SPR been bigger then I think b/f is best.

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03-25-2011 , 12:38 PM

cicakman

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Lol b/f with stack size.

Didn't read q post oh well

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03-25-2011 , 12:44 PM

Gadarene

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I size the 4bet a little bigger pre.

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03-25-2011 , 12:45 PM

SlevinUp

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you have a bdnfd!!!!

his combos for hooding Ax are pretty low in this spot, he has like 88 way more than AQ, so go with the hand, but I see no point in betting with stack sizes

and yes villain will tunr JJ inot a bruff here often enough, cos people are stupid

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03-25-2011 , 01:00 PM

mullen

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c/f you lose to QQ and AK now and he 3b an UTG raiser

In before people post they will exploit this by 3betting atc and hooding 4bs with atc to bluff ace high flops

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03-25-2011 , 01:03 PM

Gadarene

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I will exploit this by 3betting atc and hooding 4bs with atc to bluff ace high flops

ldo

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03-25-2011 , 01:09 PM

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Texas Chuck

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mullen

c/f you lose to QQ and AK now and he 3b an UTG raiser

In before people post they will exploit this by 3betting atc and hooding 4bs with atc to bluff ace high flops

how often is he hooding those as opposed to just shoving pre tho? Id say a much more likely range is AA or JJ/TT.

Im not saying this isnt a c/f--im not really sure what I think but I dont think QQ/AK make up much of his range.

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03-25-2011 , 02:03 PM

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ssnyc

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8448532

SB: 4,213 (84.3 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,114 (62.3 bb)
UTG+2: 3,200 (64 bb)
MP1: 4,536 (90.7 bb)
MP2: 3,134 (62.7 bb)
MP3: 2,670 (53.4 bb)
CO: 2,708 (54.2 bb)
BTN: 4,855 (97.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

UTG+2 raises to 100, MP1 raises to 300, 5 folds, Hero raises to 850, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 550

Flop: (1,825) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Turn: (1,825) 3

(2 players)
Hero

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03-25-2011 , 02:08 PM

#12

Sven2812

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c/c here I guess, seems like a perfect spot to pick up bluffs

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03-25-2011 , 03:05 PM

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mullen

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QQ perhaps less likely but I think AK is just as likely as JJ if not more so and way more likely than TT since he'd likely flat that pre (and not hood a 4b)

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03-25-2011 , 06:24 PM

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ssnyc

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Turn: (1,825) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets 500,

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03-25-2011 , 06:25 PM

#15

Texas Chuck

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pretty sure few people are flatting AK to a 4b (even bad players know they want to "See all five cards". I agree that TT is prolly not in his range but he should be isoing the fish with it rather than flatting imo.

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03-25-2011 , 06:29 PM

#16

SGT RJ

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As gross as this is I have to think c/f is probably right here, if he's competent I don't see what he's flatting with pre that we don't loathe with this flop except MAYBE JJ.

AK just got there, QQ just got there, and without knowing his willingness to make a creative type of play given how tight your perceived four bet range would be, I think I just swear loudly and click fold.

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03-25-2011 , 07:27 PM

#17

SNGplayer24

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hows he competent if hes flatting anything outside of AA here? Id c/c all the chips off - I mean youll def get valuetowned a % of the time, but considering he flatted here and you dont have a solid read on him, Id assume hes not good and click call.

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03-25-2011 , 07:33 PM

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dudeoflife

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if he's competent it's terrible if he's flatting AA here when you raised about 1/4 your stack pre ante and if he's flatting anything else then he's just terrible. Fold turn and berate in chat for not stacking you when he should have.

I think QQ is likely and he decided to make a poor set mine because he knows your nutted but people don't like to fold qq. I'd check flop with that hand all day as he can easily get it on turn and river with how much you have behind.

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