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05-28-2016 , 07:17 AM

BicycleRepairMan

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no stats on V
giving V 77+,AKs,AQo+, which could be too tight,im 44%,so this is standard right?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37343554

BB: 2,230 (11.2 bb)
UTG+1: 6,560 (32.8 bb)
UTG+2: 6,097 (30.5 bb)
MP1: 3,534 (17.7 bb)
MP2: 2,590 (13 bb)
MP3: 3,568 (17.8 bb)
Hero (CO): 4,409 (22 bb)
BTN: 3,928 (19.6 bb)
SB: 5,327 (26.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9

5 folds, Hero raises to 600, BTN folds, SB raises to 5,302 and is all-in, BB folds, Hero calls 3,784 and is all-in

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05-28-2016 , 07:30 AM

bumpnrun

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Yep call nh

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05-28-2016 , 07:52 AM

Puzo

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Nh, wp

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05-30-2016 , 10:46 AM

DutchCourage

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If you're not willing to gii with 99 when stack sizes are this low then fold pre, as you can pretty much expect to be 3bet ai, especially when raising in LP. Folding this turns your hand into a bluff. So commit and call or fold pre.

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05-31-2016 , 04:01 AM

killer_kill

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Originally Posted by DutchCourage

I'm not sure where you get the notion that opening a hand to fold to a 3b is turning it into a "bluff".

I'd call the hand though and not be too thrilled.

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05-31-2016 , 04:06 AM

DutchCourage

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

I'm not sure where you get the notion that opening a hand to fold to a 3b is turning it into a "bluff".

I'd call the hand though and not be too thrilled.

The problem is in the stack sizes, since you will often either pick up the blinds or face an (ai) 3bet. If you open 99 with the intention of folding to a 3bet, you may as well be playing 83o...

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05-31-2016 , 04:29 AM

killer_kill

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I don't know why you think that but ok. Obviously they're going to flat a lot more than they 3b all in esp in a 3 dollar mtt. Not sure why you think folding 99 makes it a bluff if we think their 3b range is that tight.

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05-31-2016 , 05:34 AM

DutchCourage

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Do you consider flatting 3bb with a <20bb stack a viable strategy? Agree with your comment on the $3 tournament tho, lol...

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05-31-2016 , 05:58 AM

KennyJPowers

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Shoving preflop is fine you are making 5bb using GTO although I do prefer a open with over 20bb Ef Stacks

is 3x your usual raise size with 20bb? making a different size bet can affect the sb's shoving range alot if he is paying attention

As played I think you can give the sb a wider range than you have given him with 20bb alot of suited Ax hands down to A4s any pair and nearly all suited broadways KJosx QJos sometime and there will always be the chance of some suited hands like 9Ts 89s

Its a very easy call, Well played

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05-31-2016 , 06:18 AM

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KennyJPowers

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Originally Posted by DutchCourage

Folding is out of the question the only 2 options are raising or shoving. Folding this hand is not a option given the stack sizes.

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05-31-2016 , 06:24 AM

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KennyJPowers

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Originally Posted by DutchCourage

Do you consider flatting 3bb with a <20bb stack a viable strategy? Agree with your comment on the $3 tournament tho, lol...

Yes with AA and KK it is a strategy vs some players with 20bb

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05-31-2016 , 07:43 AM

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DutchCourage

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Originally Posted by KennyJPowers

Yes with AA and KK it is a strategy vs some players with 20bb

That I agree with, esp. in ep/mp waiting for someone to squeeze with KTo.
But I guess we're not hoping for that to happen with 99....

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05-31-2016 , 04:21 PM

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BicycleRepairMan

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Originally Posted by KennyJPowers

is 3x your usual raise size with 20bb? making a different size bet can affect the sb's shoving range alot if he is paying attention

no it would usually be 2.5X, i was lazy here and just clicked 3X, Do you mean that a smaller raise will induce them to shove wider?

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05-31-2016 , 05:53 PM

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bitmonk

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yes, you raise in late pos, he can jam wide.
Villian must be very,very thight in order to make this a fold given stacks and positions...

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06-01-2016 , 03:33 AM

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KennyJPowers

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Originally Posted by BicycleRepairMan

no it would usually be 2.5X, i was lazy here and just clicked 3X, Do you mean that a smaller raise will induce them to shove wider?

Well if you were at my table and had been 2.5x opening then suddenly made it 3x w20bb alarm bells would go off and my 3bet shoving range would become a lot tighter but as to if these players are paying attention to these details idk

It is a bet sizing tell that you you should watch out for you always see the 40/5 guy who opens in ep 5x and you are mucking nearly all your range because it screams monster

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06-01-2016 , 05:08 PM

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D'Omaha

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From my calc's your pot odds say call

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