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11-05-2010 , 11:49 PM

justblaze47

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New table. No reads. Hero?

Thoughts on all streets welcome.

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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MP2: t1500 75 BBs
Hero (CO): t1695 84.75 BBs
BTN: t1460 73 BBs
SB: t1600 80 BBs
BB: t1460 73 BBs
UTG: t1305 65.25 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 75 BBs
UTG+2: t1500 75 BBs
MP1: t1480 74 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is CO with A

UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, Hero raises to t100, 3 folds, UTG calls t80, 1 fold, MP2 calls t80

Flop: (t350) 2

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t160, UTG folds, MP2 calls t160

Turn: (t670) J

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t260, MP2 raises to t660, Hero ????????

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11-05-2010 , 11:59 PM

Potamito

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This early normally ppl play way to loose cause they´re deep, and in this situations i would like to raise a lot more cause im getting call very often and i can extract maximum value from my premiums, i would´ve raise aroun 140-200 pre, by raising to 100 ur basically giving both villians odds to call.
OTF was std, imo. OTT i can see villian holding some sort of conector with 7s or pocket 2s, but its a very small part of his range but raising like thats with u left to act denoted a lot of strenght, its very tough spot and very read dependant. Im folding.

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11-06-2010 , 12:08 AM

Elderboy

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Raise more pre, bet more otf, bet more ott

As played I would probably just call down. It's early and you already have 1/3 of your stack invested.

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11-06-2010 , 12:20 AM

Potamito

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Originally Posted by Elderboy

Raise more pre, bet more otf, bet more ott
As played I would probably just call down. It's early and you already have 1/3 of your stack invested.

Wich make folding look a lot beter. If he call villians turn bet he´s commit it to the pot and have to call a potential shove from the villian. Beside u dont know what the other guy its gonna do.

Last edited by Potamito; 11-06-2010 at 12:21 AM. Reason: forgot to put in an additional info

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11-06-2010 , 05:09 AM

fish-head09

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I agree pf raise more. rule of thumb is 3xblind + limpers
flop - if your going to c-bet; bet more - like 300. I think you'll get value from pocket pairs. But I don't mind a check because the board is SO dry... But I'd still len towards c-betting anyway because you're going to get some douche a good percentage of the time to bet.

Don't fold that turn. Get it in over the raise. Even assuming this is never a bluff; your hand's equity dominates against 22,77,jj,qq,kk,aa - and I think this range for the villain is too tight.

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11-06-2010 , 10:48 AM

PokerBreed

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Originally Posted by fish-head09

Don't fold that turn. Get it in over the raise. Even assuming this is never a bluff; your hand's equity dominates against 22,77,jj,qq,kk,aa

whaaaaaat?!

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11-06-2010 , 12:45 PM

JomboJuice22

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More preflop with that many limpers. On the flop we can probably cbet a bit stronger, but not much because it's dry as hell. I probably bet like 200.

On the turn, bet a little over 1/2 pot imo. When he raises, meh, I'm calling down. This can be some stupid bluff with AJ or a PP he thinks is good often enough.

We're IP and I think getting it in over his raise on the turn is a mistake because we just fold out all his air when we shove there. I think I prefer flatting, and then calling a river shove.

I don't love it because people do play too loose early on and he could easily have A7 or 22 or something. Not sure.

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11-06-2010 , 12:56 PM

feedthabeast

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Get it in.

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11-06-2010 , 01:15 PM

rrumsey182

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push over the turn raise

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11-06-2010 , 01:26 PM

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JomboJuice22

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Originally Posted by feedthabeast

Get it in.

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Originally Posted by rrumsey182

push over the turn raise

Why is this better than flatting on the turn? We just narrow his range by doing this imo, and given he has to act first on the river, he is more likely to spazz/desperation bluff I think.

If we were OOP, I'm more likely to shove.

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11-06-2010 , 02:05 PM

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D33P

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more pre, more otf, more ott.

as played, meh, guess you`re toasted...

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11-06-2010 , 10:05 PM

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fish-head09

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Originally Posted by JomboJuice22

c/call flop, c/raise on turn is such a strong line for a micro player. Its almost always going to be something for value; rather than a bluff line. Thus - I don't think that villain is bluffing much and his value range is something like I've suggested earlier.

Considering this - AA has very good equity against whatever the micro player is c/raising. Plug it in pokerstove and you'll know what I mean.

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