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03-19-2011 , 01:35 PM

DevastatioN

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I think I'm just getting turbo unlucky here, but will double check. Maybe I'm missing something.

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8316312

BB: 3,493 (17.5 bb)
CO: 2,403 (12 bb)
BTN: 5,232 (26.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 2,372 (11.9 bb)

Preflop: (100) Hero is SB with A

CO folds, BTN raises to 400, Hero raises to 2,347 and is all-in, BB folds, BTN calls 1,947

Flop: (4,994) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (4,994) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (4,994) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Thinking: Button has been aggressive, minraising everytime it's folded to him on this bubble, so I put him on a pretty wide range. Any ace, any pair, any two face cards, most likely suited connectors etc. So I felt this was good enough to try a shove steal, good? bad?

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8316322

CO: 3,736 (18.7 bb)
BTN: 4,725 (23.6 bb)
Hero (SB): 2,670 (13.4 bb)
BB: 2,369 (11.8 bb)

Preflop: (100) Hero is SB with T

2 folds, Hero raises to 2,645 and is all-in, BB calls 2,144 and is all-in

Flop: (4,788) K

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (4,788) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (4,788) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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Bubble, under 10M, BB is about the same stack, so I think he has to be tighter here, SB vs BB I am pushing any two. Good? Bad? ******ed?

Poker Stars, $10 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8316332

Hero (BTN): 2,390 (12 bb)
SB: 3,595 (18 bb)
BB: 2,090 (10.5 bb)
CO: 5,425 (27.1 bb)

Preflop: (100) Hero is BTN with 4

CO folds, Hero raises to 2,365 and is all-in, SB raises to 3,570 and is all-in, BB folds

Flop: (5,030) A

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (5,030) K

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (5,030) Q

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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Pocket pair on btn, I'm not too much ahead of the other guy, and below 10M. So I shove. Good? Bad? Unlucky!

Thanks.

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03-19-2011 , 01:39 PM

JustifiableCause

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it looks like you played some simple minded poker here.

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03-19-2011 , 01:44 PM

BLOEUFFF

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 76

all standard imo. 10 4 i tend to make it 500, but maybe im just a pussy

ppl get verrrrry tight on the bubble and its one of the most important traits to exploit in these sngs; wp, ul.

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03-19-2011 , 01:57 PM

Cool Man Dude

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The 10 4 is a fold. This will help generate fold equity later by showing you are not just shoving any two.

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03-19-2011 , 02:05 PM

Trex8063

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Originally Posted by Cool Man Dude

The 10 4 is a fold. This will help generate fold equity later by showing you are not just shoving any two.

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03-19-2011 , 02:10 PM

DevastatioN

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Thanks guys. Makes sense on the T4.

Would it have been different if I had folded the time prior? Or is it just one of those that even though it's technically +EV, just always fold it in this situation?

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03-19-2011 , 02:13 PM

Inyaface

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104s is a pretty good hand. Raise/fold, limp or open jam. Fold seems like the worst option.

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03-19-2011 , 02:20 PM

TomoDaK

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These all look pretty standard to me.

H1 is fine as long as villain isn't snapping your shove with A5o QJ 44 etc
H2 SO standard vs someone who is not super loose. like inya says dont fold! and please don't listen to the guys who said fold

H3 ez shove with the antes

Last edited by TomoDaK; 03-19-2011 at 02:27 PM.

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03-19-2011 , 06:53 PM

Monkey Banana

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1 is pretty bad because villain will snap your shove with QJ and 44 and a host of other rubbish. 2 I wouldn't jam but I'd play it. Folding does not seem terrible to me though. Shoving ATC routinely at these blinds is a bad idea though. 3 looks okay.

In each hand villain showed a hand you'd expect him to call, so that sucks, but it's going to happen. Better luck next time.

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03-19-2011 , 07:35 PM

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Twigee

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Originally Posted by DevastatioN

It's one of those that is +EV on paper as long as his range stays tightish. It will be as long as your staying in line. Nothing wrong with T4 occasionally but it needs the FE so if you did it last hand pitch this one. If you start to do it even every other orbit they will widen up to suit your actions.

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03-19-2011 , 10:49 PM

#11

betgo

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T4s is not ATC, but close to an average hand. Think push or r/f are find. If you fold this, then you fold like 40% of hands.

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03-19-2011 , 11:08 PM

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poker_elmo

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Only one that is close, IMO is 1. Very player dependent here and borderline - but if you had A8 the shove becomes much easier. Any reads on looseness of calling would be helpful with your A6 here.

Other two are easy shoves.

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03-19-2011 , 11:16 PM

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Monkey Banana

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Wow, long time since I've done any work in Wiz and I'm surprised at how easy of a shove the T4s is.

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03-20-2011 , 04:33 AM

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frappeboy

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Hand 1 is just terribad, yea he might be raising a lot, but he has the license to do it as the big stack on the bubble. A6o is dog****, just fold.

Hand 2 and 3 are largely situational, and I will sometimes fold both hands depending on the skill level of the players at the table, who I'm shoving into (how likely he is to make a bad call which hurts both of us), and who the guy to my left is (how likely I am to get a walk later when im the BB).

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03-20-2011 , 05:09 AM

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Orsulab3rt

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h1 -Depends on your playing style and the read u have on villian
h2+h3-good shoves,i was doing the same, this blinds level I was starting to push those hands.

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03-20-2011 , 05:20 AM

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_lolHeisenBurger99_

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First one is ok, but must be a bit player dependant. If this is good reg then easy-shove, but if it's a nit kinda reg, then it might be safer to fold here.

Second one probably is ok too, but I would pass here, because there is still room for playing next few hands and it's almost obvius that you will find a better hand for moving in than T4s.

Third is obv push imo. If you just open-raise, you might get yourself into a lot of trouble because if somebody shoves, you can't really call, but might as well fold the best hand. More often than not, I shove here and am happy to just collect blind.

btw don't be that results oriented

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