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simple postflop spot, three streets of value? simple postflop spot, three streets of value?

07-15-2015 , 01:56 PM
Merge - $0+$0|<> NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 4,097 (VPIP: 36.97, PFR: 10.17, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 119)
UTG: 2,660 (VPIP: 8.70, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (UTG+1): 7,630
MP: 10,589 (VPIP: 30.51, PFR: 7.02, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
MP+1: 2,976 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 4,844 (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: 2,796 (VPIP: 31.63, PFR: 22.15, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 316)

7 players post ante of 12, BB posts BB 120

Pre Flop: (pot: 204) Hero has A J

fold, Hero raises to 282, MP calls 282, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (768, 2 players) A T 8
Hero bets 384, MP calls 384

Turn: (1,536, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 768, MP calls 768

River: (3,072, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, MP checks

Do you guys think there are three streets of value to be had vs. fish with these relative positions? It's obviously super thin but there's so much thin value to be had at these stakes vs. ppl who can't hand read...
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07-15-2015 , 08:14 PM
I bet river. Imho a lot of the the better hands would raise that turn, if not otf already.
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07-15-2015 , 10:53 PM
I'd most likely put out a small value-bet of around 900-1100. It looks as if the villian is drawing to a flush or straight, he appears to play a fair amount of hand pre but isn't that aggressive post-flop.

With his flat call I'm assuming he had something like QJ. (Please PM me his hand)
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07-16-2015 , 02:20 AM
If he had you otf i expect from him to re-raise b-coz there is a flush draw.
We would have heard from A3 ott, and A2 which connected otr is tiny part of his range (if at all).
None of the draws completed otr.

Small bet on the river (~900) to get value from weaker Ax and Tx or to induce a bluff from complete air.
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07-16-2015 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by yjp1975

Small bet on the river (~900) to get value from weaker Ax and Tx or to induce a bluff from complete air.
I wouldn't like to bet to induce, because i feel like i can't call it.
If he is a player who would attack a tiny bet on the river, i like to check the river.

That being said, i don't expect a random villain to attack a 1k - 1,3k bet with anything les then our hand.

But as there are more draw (combo's) in his range than made hands, i would lean towards check/call
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07-16-2015 , 10:20 AM
I agree with yjp1975, I'd also bet small otr to get called by worse and / or induce desperate raises / shoves from missed hands. Never folding to a river raise if we bet it small.

If he has a better hand, I'd really expect a raise otf or ott.
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07-16-2015 , 03:29 PM
I think I take the low-variance line OOP and check/call. Vill has many more whiffed draw combos than value hands that can call us OTR. I check and let him try to bluff his missed draws since that's the majority of his range here.
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07-16-2015 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SetSetter
I think I take the low-variance line OOP and check/call. Vill has many more whiffed draw combos than value hands that can call us OTR. I check and let him try to bluff his missed draws since that's the majority of his range here.
Great point, especially if you do throw out a raise and he re-raises. Makes it a tough call depending on the sizing.
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07-16-2015 , 05:37 PM
I think I like x/c just cause he can bluff so many combos here you can snap it off, rather than betting and getting folds from worse and not much value
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07-18-2015 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gamboneee
I think I like x/c just cause he can bluff so many combos here you can snap it off, rather than betting and getting folds from worse and not much value
good point c/c is probably best
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07-19-2015 , 07:39 PM
Don't you think we can induce bigger mistakes / still get called by worse by betting like 1/4 of the pot otr?
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07-19-2015 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gamboneee
I think I like x/c just cause he can bluff so many combos here you can snap it off, rather than betting and getting folds from worse and not much value
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Originally Posted by WOLVER1NE
Don't you think we can induce bigger mistakes / still get called by worse by betting like 1/4 of the pot otr?
Torn between these lines
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