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10-26-2009 , 03:56 PM
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This is the 1st hand of the 4th level in a turbo. Is this a shove with 15 BB's? Should I 3x it instead? I think it's too good to fold and I don't like to limp. If I 3x, I'd be in a crappy spot if someone 3 bet shoved on me.

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 340251
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UTG+1: t1440 M = 9.60
MP1: t1655 M = 11.03
MP2: t1398 M = 9.32
CO: t1585 M = 10.57
BTN: t392 M = 2.61
SB: t1955 M = 13.03
BB: t2310 M = 15.40
Hero (UTG): t1495 M = 9.97

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG with A J
Hero??
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10-26-2009 , 03:58 PM
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You can shove and it's +EV.
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10-26-2009 , 04:02 PM
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hmmm. its kind of a 4 way hand really. shoving would be my least favourite option. folding is fine as is limping. if you raise you need to get your raise size right and decide how you are responding to a rr before you size your raise.
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10-26-2009 , 04:17 PM
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hmmm. its kind of a 4 way hand really. shoving would be my least favourite option. folding is fine as is limping. if you raise you need to get your raise size right and decide how you are responding to a rr before you size your raise.
What does this mean?
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10-26-2009 , 04:26 PM
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if you limp, are you folding to a raise? dont limp. if you 3x it, are you folding to a shove? i wouldent do that either. this is a shove/fold situation and imo those are your only 2 options....15bbs in a $1 turbo, im shoving this and happy about it. if someone wakes up with a hand, well thats how it goes sometimes, but you will be called by KJ, KQ, KT, QT, QJ, all PPs, probably JT too, A6s+ probably calls here too.
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10-26-2009 , 06:13 PM
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rasise/fold 250 (except BTN of course)
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10-26-2009 , 06:53 PM
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I ship and is not close
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10-26-2009 , 06:59 PM
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hmmm. its kind of a 4 way hand really. shoving would be my least favourite option. folding is fine as is limping. if you raise you need to get your raise size right and decide how you are responding to a rr before you size your raise.
Why is folding better than shoving? It's a turbo. Look at the BI and the stacks at the table. We're gonna get called by a bunch of hands we're ahead of or that we've got 47%> equity against. It's clearly a +EV shove.
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10-26-2009 , 07:33 PM
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rasise/fold 250 (except BTN of course)
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10-26-2009 , 07:34 PM
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hmmm. its kind of a 4 way hand really. shoving would be my least favourite option. folding is fine as is limping. if you raise you need to get your raise size right and decide how you are responding to a rr before you size your raise.
Im getting level no?
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10-26-2009 , 08:35 PM
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Raise/folding here in a $1 turbo would be fairly atrocious.

Trivial shove.
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10-26-2009 , 08:37 PM
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Shove and pray someone calls to double you up.....pray hard...
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10-26-2009 , 08:39 PM
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Shove >>>> fold >>>> riase >>>>>> call
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10-26-2009 , 10:56 PM
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sorry its a $1 i just noticed so you are probably right that shoving is fine.

4 way hand means you can fold, call, standard raise or shove. and thats my view on this spot if it was say a $27 18 or 45 turbo. at a 180 turbo you want high variance plays but you dont at the 18s and 45s.
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10-26-2009 , 11:02 PM
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SHOVE
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10-26-2009 , 11:04 PM
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just shove, def get called by worse in a $1 turbo.
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10-27-2009 , 05:34 AM
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+1 for shoving
calling ranges are waaaaaay off.
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10-27-2009 , 07:15 AM
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Against calling ranges of {88+, ATs+, AJo+ KQs} this is -EV.
Against calling ranges of {55+,A8s+,KQs,ATo+,KQo} this is +EV.
Hence my conclusion is that this is close. Because this is a $1 turbo I lean heavily towards shoving.
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10-27-2009 , 07:19 AM
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yep Larude add some random trash, also lower PPs, KJ, QT and what not and it´s pretty clearly a shove in a $1.
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