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08-10-2015 , 01:19 PM
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Guys,
initially I wanted to see flop but facing this raise and considering my stack size I deceided to reraise/shove pre. Do you think is right play???



    Poker Stars, $1.32 Buy-in (40/80 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37066525

    SB: 5,642 (70.5 bb)
    BB: 982 (12.3 bb)
    MP1: 1,192 (14.9 bb)
    MP2: 1,993 (24.9 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 878 (11 bb)
    CO: 1,362 (17 bb)
    BTN: 1,451 (18.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A K
    2 folds, Hero calls 80, CO raises to 240, 3 folds, Hero raises to 868 and is all-in, CO calls 628

    Flop: (1,926) 2 8 J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (1,926) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (1,926) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    08-10-2015 , 03:34 PM
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    Shove first time around.
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    08-10-2015 , 04:08 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aliquantum
    Shove first time around.
    Yes this is obvious solution and straightforward play.

    Since I was already shortstacked my initial plan was different, I wanted put on the risk 80 chips and see the flop cheaply. Then fold if I didn't connect. It would leave me with stack around 10 BB still enough to make +EV shove later in the game.

    I didnt want strightforward play since if I would shove pre and everybody fold I would gain only 120 chips which wouldn't change my situation much and still left me shortstacked. I thought that it would be wasting of AK value in this particular spot.
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    08-10-2015 , 05:03 PM
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    The EV of shoving AK here is going to be much greater than limping "then fold if I didn't connect".

    You're going to get looked up with worse often. You're also picking up 190 when you don't, which is a significant portion of your stack.
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    08-10-2015 , 06:11 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aliquantum
    The EV of shoving AK here is going to be much greater than limping "then fold if I didn't connect".

    You're going to get looked up with worse often. You're also picking up 190 when you don't, which is a significant portion of your stack.
    I agree tooooo good a spot to passup with ak and 11bbs we are getting called a lot and cant risk that by limping. if we limp sb can complete and we aren't in a great spot 3 way and we are loosing a great spot to get called pre by worse
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    08-10-2015 , 06:28 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Thanatos_06

    Since I was already shortstacked my initial plan was different, I wanted put on the risk 80 chips and see the flop cheaply. Then fold if I didn't connect. It would leave me with stack around 10 BB still enough to make +EV shove later in the game.
    Making -ev plays so you can make a +ev shove later is not a good way to play.
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    08-10-2015 , 07:00 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aliquantum
    You're also picking up 190 when you don't, which is a significant portion of your stack.
    Yeah....I didnt count antes. Basic mistake. Thank you.
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    08-10-2015 , 07:03 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaike
    Making -ev plays so you can make a +ev shove later is not a good way to play.
    Thats the point.

    Thank you guys for yours opinion and help.
    This shows me how much more I have to learn.
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