It is the 3r and we are down to the final table with either 10-12 people left I can not exactly remember. We have been very aggro raising every hand from the sb to villains bb and we have been raising our bb every time the sb blind completed. Only time the villain palyed back was when we raised pre w/ 88 to 16k and he repopped to 46k and we 4 bet and he folded. What do you do here w/ this dynamic? do you like raise folding here ever?

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30000/t60000 Blinds - 5 players
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CO: t370323
BTN: t1514508
Hero (SB): t3336509 A8
BB: t1046468
UTG: t2299497

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A 8
3 folds, Hero raises to t180000, BB raises to t1040468 all in, HERO ?????

I apologize if this is really really standard , but my friend wants to see other peoples decisions.

I would raise-call.

If you have history of him 3betting you light, you have enough info to go for it. He has 18 ish BB so he has a good resteal stack too.

I'm probably shoving PF. But I'm definitely not folding there without some kind of pretty good read on his nittiness.

Definately calling this.

Raise/folding would be really bad so I either just open shove or raise/call. Which I do depends on how light we think he is shoving, the wider it is the more I like raise/call (assuming he wouldn't do anything stupid like fold A9 to an open shove).

easy call.

raise call I like...raise with intention or thought of folding makes me want to vomit

id rather limp than raise/fold. and i despise limping.

Idk limp shove would be kinda fun, but I'd just shove the first time because I always shove in the SB so I don't want him getting any ideas like I have another move.

I'm never raise folding this, I think you should be calling this everytime given the situation.

Limp reraise or raise call are both acceptable.

thanks for confirming that I am not the worst poker player ever. Before the hand I told my friend this would be the perfect spot to pick up a good hand and raise call from the sb. He then goes on to raise and then types to me I don't have a good feeling im folding and then instantly folds without looking at pot odds. lol but how he wins I have no clue I cant seem to every win ever

me too

only reason I thought raise calling was better here was bc of our dynamic of raising blinds relentlessly. I thought that if i shoved he may fold some of the weaker hands that he would rr all in with if i just raised. Is that stupid to think?

shipping and folding out 22 and KJ type hands which may reship over you is likely more profitable than going to showdown. There aren't that many hands that you'll be really happy to see when you call his 3 bet...

Actually we're easily deep enough that him folding KJ if we shove is correct vs our hand (and it's not particularly close) so if raise/calling gets him to shove KJ when shoving would get him to fold then vs that hand raise/call is better. I think the only hands he will fold to a shove that he would shove over a raise with are small pocket pairs and that given the history and the way hero has been playing we will get shoved on by worse hands more often than we will get called by worse hands.

Edit: Just to say that if we shove and he plays perfectly vs our hand then he folds everything except better aces and pocket pairs. This means that we want to take the line that makes people villain make the most mistakes, which in this case means either folding out small pocket pairs or getting it in against other hands. I think raise/calling will get it in against more hands we want to get it in against (hands that would correctly fold to a shove) than shoving folds out hands we don't want to get it in against (hands that would correctly shove over a raise).

assuming villian is either shoving or folding to hero's raise would be a mistake

Shoving:

22+,A8s+,A8o+ "perfect calling range" is 13% of hands.
(are antes 5k here? I don't remember but that's what I'm using)
87% win 115000 = +100050
13%*63% lose 1046468 = -85705
13%*37% win 1096468 = +52740

shoving is +67085

raise/calling

let's say he's reshoving 22+,A5s+,K7s+,QTs+,JTs,A5o+,K9o+,QTo+

75% win 115000 = +86250
25%*51% lose 1046468 = -133424
25%*49% win 1096468 = +134317

so raise/calling +87143

I don't know if you agree with the range for raise/calling, also I don't do the math that often so point out my mistakes.

edit: just saw Brandi's post, and it's true that he will flat occassionally but I don't know how to incorporate that into the math here so I just didn't.

Shoving is most likely unexploitable, i.e. even if we turned our hand face up and shoved and villain plays perfectly, over a large sample size we will show a profit.

But ... I think the question is whether we get shoved on by a bunch of worse hands by standard raising or get called by worse if limp/shoving. So the question seems to come down to whether A8 is strong enough to withstand villain's range given our image. I think it is (if it were a hand like KJo then shoving would probably be the most +EV line).

I'll be the odd man out. Fold after raising. If we have raised constantly from the SB and he only played back once, I would say we don't have odds to call here since I'm expecting to see TT+ AQ+ if he's finally playing back. We may have odss... barely, no math skills, but I'm still with your buddy.