If the guy keeps the money he bunked it is however, in fact, scummy. Scam or not it would be grossly inappropriate given the history of the two. Clearly horses always have the upper hand in spots like this because they have the option to delete accounts and walk away. Doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. From either standpoint, a) him having played 30$ worth of unallowed games b) him having binked 9k, the backer should given the current situation be reimbursed at the very least the MU the horse had at the time of the bink and the remainder of the sum should also be split. It definitely isn't the horse "being nice" if he decides to give the backer some money back here

Hey trtd could you try and post a bit less in this thread? Ty. Also, just going by backers story I agree with blakkman.

Did horse have any history of playing Spin N Gos on his own dime? Seems unlikely this was the first time he ever decided to punt in them. Get a full account history audit and ask him to highlight the times he deposited his own funds to cover the cost of his Spin N Go sessions.

btw TRTD, you really ought to refrain from posting when drunk / high.

Or any other time preferably

well yeah, ideally

TRTD exceptionally well picked nickname

My 2 cents: If the horse never played a spin and go before this, where he wrote down either wins/loses, then he was playing on his own money. But OP, you will respond, "But he isn't allowed to play on his own money, unless he asks permission and I say 'yes', which I didn't". That is why he owes you the cost of the buy-in for playing outside of the games that were considered acceptable for the stake.

If however he has played anything unacceptable for the stake in the past and has counted it either towards wins or loses on the stake then OP 100% deserves the $9K to be counted towards profit/loss of stake.

It sounds like horse owes OP money and should use a good portion of it, regardless of outcome of this, to pay off his debt.

You don't realise it's the same thing we consented on?

Good point, as I already said.

That's offensive. I'm always like that, and was in fact sober until the last post ITT (included). I am not afraid of a sudden ban, hence why I can post freely, at any time!

I still don't see a reason for him not posting here, because his reputation will be hurt either way after this if he doesn't pay. It is pretty clear to me now that a big majority of people is on my side, unless he can bring any new proofs on the table. He has never before reported any losses or wins to me whatsoever, to get that out of question too, especially not for sng, and even if he did, it would all take a U turn after I started loaning him money. I don't think there is a single backer who would loan money to the horse with him gambling for his own money... I think that he actually just randomly decided to take a shot to freeroll this, thinking that I might agree without fighting back because I was so nice to him in the past... This only makes it worse to me...
Isplash, this way he freerolls me, it is explained from stakers perspective in the negative thread.
TRRD, its ok, I don't mind your posts, at least more people are coming to check the thread out :P

He will pay, hence why he doesn't post ITT, I think.
Ask him if he agrees to paying makeup plus 25% of what's left after that, and I'd guess he snaps. Do it now, and both of you could have less stress very soon (if you think this is appropriate... sorry for sounding so dictatorial)

If he DID, then 100% the win must be treated as won on the stake. And it definitely isn't a freeroll, he owes you $3 for playing outside of the stake on unacceptable games. The only time that what he did could ever be considered a freeroll is if it was first time he played a game considered unacceptable on the stake. He could claim it was his first and only time playing off the stake and he knew he would be responsible for the loss.

The most important thing, imo, is to determine whether the horse ever played outside of the stake and if he noted the wins/loses as on the stake. If this isn't the case I'd suggest the money won could be considered his. It's really easy to prove. Just look up his daily results and compare them with the tournaments he has played. If you find even 1, that's all you need OP.

sharkscope only tracks about 50% of spins fwiw so could of played more pre this day he binked the jackpot

He never reported any losses though, so could have easily freerolled me until now
This is how it should have been before playing https://gyazo.com/fefb1dcf8774fe205a0c97d2c07db1f3

No... Why would I get 25% when people in other thread said that I can claim even more than 50%. It is his responsibility to report it, otherwise he has to pay the consequences. If 10 people in the thread and 10 more on Skype say he needs to pay 50% and 1 to pay 25% I will obviously never accept 25% and would not do that even if he refuses to pay 50% after this, but would turn to other measures...

any wins?

Never to me, and especially not since the loaning started

If the terms of the agreement were to ask for permission to play on your own then you ask permission
If you don't want to give up game selection then don't ****ing get backed
It's clear that the horse has no respect for the backer

Even before we talk about the profit share its a scam already the moment the horse registered for the spin

It doesn't matter if he plans to replace the money. It's plain and simple you played without permission and you played with some one else's money

As for the chop no question the horse owes money to backer in this case

So he never has reported any losses of spins or SnG, hence just took an illegal two figure loan of your money, which so far has always been replaced.
Pretty delusinoal sense of entitlement you have, that you first of all tell him to not play his own money, which he ofc could easily do on any other sites or sports or whatever at any time. Than you think that you deserve all make-up +50% of the rest here, for him illegally lending a few $'s for while. You freerolled him, as you just admitted. Hence why your are way more of a scam than him, in this case. There is no law-book for this kinda thing, hence why you exploit him so ****ing hard in this case, and that's the bottom line, or not? Stay tough, be real!

If 10 people on Skype kiss your ass, and 10 people on here say 50% (noone did), that means nothing but that you either lack balls, or are not competent enough to have your own ethics, which is ****ing sad. You likely knew how bastardized nowaydays 2+2 is, hence why you made this thread, in the first place...
Ofc your friends on Skype and the ****ed up cesspool of 2+2 tells you to exploit and get as much as possible etc, but whenever you are on a par with the majority, you should take a step back from yourself, and ask yourself what the **** you are doing wrong. I am not kidding.

I'm done here. Not intending to be associated with this brashly impertinent scammer anymore...

TRTD you should prob read the other thread regarding this situation and read a couple of other backers opinions regarding floating (especially while receiving loans).

it is much worse than "borrowing $30"

Oh wow, somebody's ego is hurt too much

Dude, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You talk to my superego, while I fight your ID.

Here is some help to comprehend:



I lean back and grap my popcorn, cause now your horse is speaking:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...l#post47920581

That is not my horse obviously. That is how carefully you have been reading the post in the threads and you have posted 10 useless posts where you didn't make a single point to confirm or deny either side.

Sorry for mixing this up, my bad.

The consens ITT is exactly what I said first, you blindfolded expert.
Your excessive greed and lack of common sense are omnipresent ITT, which you ofc only made, because there is no single point to confirm or deny either site, LDO. There aren't even two sides, in this case.
The world is not black and white. Realise that, and go from there...


Keep getting pissed at me. I enjoy to be right, and will keep shoving it into people's throat, whenever they don't get it, or don't want to.
Don't fool yourself into believing that you can set a binding precedent or whatever here, if you force him to pay 50% of profits exceeding mark-up, your exact profit-split (RIDICULOUS!). All you do is wanting unrightfully fill your pocket with about 1000x more than what your horse has temporarily stolen from you, and not feel as bad about it, as you should.

Someone may link me to whatever other thread there is about this, or not...

All I found was OP's PG&C thread, which confirmed my read that I was talking to a really young kid here. Your ethical self-inventury obv hasn't happened in your life yet, but I am sure you will get to that point, bro.

I won't ask how a 22yo with just 10k MTT winnings can stake other people, but I guess that your lack of ethics might be caused by your given life-circumstances, and young age.

TRTD's work itt is like a masterclass in terrible posting

Mmmhmh... Either it's me who posts bad, or all of you mental midget trolls and parrots, who are eagerly awaiting approval form their ethically rotten online-fellows, when posting these absolutly useless one-liner repsonses ITT.
Like you right there, for example. Useless is something that begins with U!


Let me help you to comprehend what bad posting is:


These posts are all zero content, hence dispensable.

I put in effort to explain why OP should never get 50% on everything on top of make-up, which is simply common sense. I really hope he gets scammed by now, simply for being so blatantly brashly impertinent.