what would be the expected roi over these? because so far i'm doing pretty well just 2 tabling.



Could I keep this up or should I be expecting less?

thanks

Rich

I think you should be expecting somewhere between 50-75% if you're good.

play way more tables, add 1-2 at a time until you can 12-16 and your profit will skyrocket.

I've been playin these for the last two weeks and wondering the same thing. Currently I'm at 107% over 210 games... is this sustainable long term??

50-125% is sustainable if ur playing 4 tables or less, and probably 50-70% for as many tables as u can play at once if ur a good multi-er

Would the #s be the same for the $3 knockouts on FTP? The 90 man turbo (5 min blinds) 3K stacks (deep stack)? Top 10 pay.

these are a bit harder but not mcuh to have a high roi, 30-75% playing 8+ tables should be reasonable.

teach me.

thanks protential, that 210 game sample was mostly 8-tabling, although I have noticed a major difference in my results when I only have a few tables going.

8 tabling isnt just having a few tables going? lol i dont see how you can maintain sanity playing 180s without playing at least 15+ at a time and putting in at least 50 games a day on avg. The swings are just so brutal that you gotta put in a lot of volume

Pretty sure I have gone 50 without cashing before

I have a ROI of 293% on the $8 180 with 4 wins in 75 games. Pretty easy game.

Just wait til the variance train smashes you in the face

It has once went 15 games without cashing. Serious though these seem to be the weakest tourneys a person could find on FT. They have a very good structure with 2000 starting chips and playing ABC poker will get it done. Seems like these are filled with scared money.

while ur at it.... teach me too.....


This does point out why it's so difficult for a lot of us to make any money at this....

If I play 20 or 30 tournys a WEEK, it's a big deal for me.... (and I'm sure I'm not the only one)
I often play just 5 a DAY. and you're talking 16 at a time....


HOW DO YOU DO THIS ?


on the 3 or maybe 4 days a week or so that I have the time to play, I can really only pay attn. to a max of 4or 5 tables or so at once.... (Yes, I can put up 6 or 8 STT's , but I usually end up missing hands, missing opportunities and timing out more than I'd like.)

but if I want to play my A game, I can really only play 2 or at MOST 3 at once.... other wise I cant pay attn to how the other players are playing. Yes, I use pokertacker with a HUD, but, I've had my BEST results by looking for weak players and waiting for the right hand, and busting them.... when I multi table, I feel like I'm missing those opportunities....

So, would it be best to go down in limits again, and start playing as many of those $2 and $3 MT-SnG's as I can and start to build up the number of tables I can play, then work my way back up to the $10 - $26 level I feel most comfortable at??

(edit; but time is still the issue... If I get home at 6 or 7 pm, play till midnight or so (unless I go deep in one or two games, which means I'm happy, but wasted at work the next day...) ... by playing at my current comfort level of 3 or 4 MTT tables... I just cant squeeze in that many games and play effectivly. and my wife calls herself a poker widow...... my kids want help with homework... etc. etc.)

1 We more experience so more decisions are instant/ standard
2 Scripts
3. Tableninja
4 Probably playing nittier than you
5 Practice
6 Being willing to accept that hourly rate is more important than roi

A few is like 3 or 4. At this point I top out at 10 tables, but I'm also only using one monitor.

bdaewn, when you say hourly rate is more important than roi, do you mean that although someone may be able to crush the 2.20s roi wise, it's more important to realize that if you play the 12s with half the roi, you'll make a higher hourly rate.

thanks.

1.) Over the last 3 years... I'm putting in just about as many hours as I can at the moment. 5 or 6 hours 3 or 4 times a week MAX. (sometimes MUCH less) plus, playing live when I can (and have the extra $$$) reading and re-reading books, watching a lot of videos on the 2 traning sites I pay for..... except for trying to build up the amount of tables I can multi effectively, I cant think of another way to gain more experiance.

2.) I've toyed with scripts, AHK etc. but they seem far more usefull in cash games...
I'll have to try them again. I'm sure they will help.

3.) I actually downloaded tableninja (Fulltilt) YESTERDAY, and will prob. soon buy the Stars version. (still seems to be geared to cash games, but I can see it's potential)

4.) I dunno, I can be pretty damn nitty. (usual MTT vp$ip 15 - 18)

5.) yup....obv. but still important.

6.) I agree... but once again hourly rate is something I usually attribute to cash games... both live and online, For cash games, I try to keep track of my BB/hr. Also, my hourly rate this month (on FT) is huge, but last month was negative... so is the avg. HR per day, week/ month, Liftime? this would seem to be more important to someone trying to make a living with poker....

For MTT's , esp since i might play 4 days this week, and 1 day next week and 3 days the week after.... etc. this can be a bit misleading, so, at least for me, Regarding MTT's, I think ROI is a more critcal number. It lets me see how i'm doing over the long run, and to me, it doesnt matter if i play for 3 hours or 6 hours if I'm in a large field MTT. it's how much I won that counts. (yes... many days I'll just play ONE big MTT.... and a few $10/45 sng's to keep from getting bored while playing the MTT)



all good advice. thanks. But this is still something i do because I like it.... (this month because of a cash flow problem with the company I work for, I actually had to LIVE of off my Live poker winnings.... it was a bit scarry.)

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So, overall, if I had a choice of playing in 5, $10/45's and the 50/50 or 20 $2 180's... it's a lot more fun to me to do the former... and fun has a lot to be said for it. (as well as ROI and Hourly rate)... but since I do want (maybe NEED) to learn how really make some money with this, I might have put fun on the back burner... at least for a while

Lotta,

I used to play pretty much whatever I wanted, disregarding bankroll because I could just re-deposit. Lately I started grinding 2.20s and its not that fun, but ya it brings in a consistent cashflow. I'm thinkin about it more like a job though, so it sure beats the hell out of any other random part-time job I could get.

when I used to play the 12/180s on stars I would try to keep 10-15 tables open. I didn't grind these a ton like plenty of people did, just played a few hours a day... I also didn't play as many as others did (looked up on a Sunday afternoon and he was in like 24+ tourneys). I didn't use any scripts and was limited by the blurriness of my monitor. When playing more than 3-4 tables, I cascade and rely on my HUD for information.

Stars had good popup software (when your table requires action it pops up) whereas FTP's popup on action functionality irks me.