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resteal with A5: standard or spew? resteal with A5: standard or spew?

01-29-2010 , 05:03 PM
Villain is running 25/15 over 50 and is a big winner on OPR. Is this a favorable spot for this kind of play or am I just spewing?

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MP1: t5800 M = 32.22
MP2: t7845 M = 43.58
CO: t2315 M = 12.86
Hero (BTN): t1975 M = 10.97
SB: t5680 M = 31.56
BB: t3450 M = 19.17
UTG: t3740 M = 20.78
UTG+1: t4810 M = 26.72
UTG+2: t11490 M = 63.83

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is BTN with 5 A
4 folds, MP2 raises to t360, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1975 all in ...
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01-29-2010 , 05:44 PM
Bump
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01-29-2010 , 05:54 PM
well if villain is opening 15% he should have something he can call your shove with about half the time, and he can certainly afford it, so i think this is a bit risky?
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01-29-2010 , 06:21 PM
I just started using PT; what sort of range does 15% constitute (or x%?) Even a quick outline (or better yet, a link) would be very helpful.

What are standard stats for various styles (LAG, TAG) of play?
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01-29-2010 , 06:31 PM
pokerstove is what you want.

http://www.pokerstove.com/download/P...veSetup123.exe
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01-29-2010 , 07:00 PM
Can't use it, I'm on a Macintosh. Any other suggestions?
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01-29-2010 , 07:12 PM
I think this is spewage imo.

I did a spreadsheet with the following assumptions, which I think are reasonable but possibly up for discussion (i can post the math if req):
His PFR range is top 15%. i.e. 77+,A7s+,K9s+,Q9s+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo
He is calling with 50% of his range. i.e. 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AQo+

In order to shove profitably, when called, your hand needs to have 35% equity by my calculations. A5os has 33% equity.
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01-29-2010 , 07:19 PM
So what would be strong enough, A7?
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01-29-2010 , 07:20 PM
Definently SPew.

He is calling pretty wide with his raising range. at 15% the weakest he opens at MP2 is medium suited connectors and low pps. rest of his range destroys you. I havent plugged it in but im sure you equity vs his calling range is under 30% easy.

Only way Id say thsi would be a good spot to resteal if he was running a pfr of around 22-25%+ and you had a tight table image and showing down premium hands. Also it wouldnt hurt to have something that did a bit better vs his calling range instead of a weak off suit ace. (something like medium suited connectors).

Id say you have the right idea, these types of moves are crucial for MTTs but I think you need to learn HUD stat ranges and picking spots and situations a bit better. (coems with experience)
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01-29-2010 , 07:25 PM
You dont have enough FE to make the play If he's any good he's never folding.
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01-29-2010 , 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by itscml
So what would be strong enough, A7?
Actually, using the assumptions I have made, a resteal here is not profitable at all if my calculations are correct. Hands that have 35% equity vs his range are:
ATos, KJos, QJs, A8s
So these are just breakeven hands.
Chamaican makes a good point. You want to make resteals with hands that if called play well against villains calling range. It might surprise you but shoving JTs here would actually give you better equity when called than A5os:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.545% 65.09% 00.45% 387859292 2709168.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 34.455% 34.00% 00.45% 202604164 2709168.00 { JTs }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.117% 65.91% 01.21% 1151088324 21149682.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 32.883% 31.67% 01.21% 553162392 21149682.00 { A5o }
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01-29-2010 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pig
You dont have enough FE to make the play If he's any good he's never folding.
If this is the case, then I reckon you need AJos+, 99+ to reshove profitably.
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01-29-2010 , 08:09 PM
He definitely has FE. In fact he has a very good resteal stack. I agree that A5o is not the right type of hand though.
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01-29-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by graven29
He definitely has FE. In fact he has a very good resteal stack. I agree that A5o is not the right type of hand though.
It doesn't matter what cards you have if you are restealing after all its a steal.
We are playing 16bbs effective and yep i agree we do have FE because most people don't understand that raise folding 16bbs is borderline horrible but if he is good then i think he calls with his full range here, good news is KQ KJ QJ KTs 22 33 44 TJs 9Ts 89s 76s are all in his range....................

Possibly although he should be tightening his range as there are stacks behind who are a resteal danger obv which makes this even less of a resteal.

As ever if i'm off here i'm all ears ready to learn something

Last edited by pig; 01-29-2010 at 08:59 PM.
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01-29-2010 , 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by itscml
Can't use it, I'm on a Macintosh. Any other suggestions?
you can use it running winebottler its awsome.
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01-29-2010 , 09:13 PM
Definitely spew this early. Later on when the regs start opening light, this sort of move becomes ok, but given you're quite short, it's early, and he has chips left over, he's probably not folding any pocket pair, and might not even fold KQ and AT and stuff like that. I think you need AJ+/77+ or thereabouts to be making this sort of move.
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01-30-2010 , 12:18 AM
Yeah he called with AT and I was out. At least I learned from losing.

So consensus is I should wait until antes kick in to do it or have AT+ 77+?
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01-30-2010 , 12:37 AM
Also I remember doing this with A3 and running into AK and feeling asinine at the very end of the $60K KO guarantee on Wednesday. Should I be waiting for stronger hands necessarily or just different ones (like 78s, for example)?
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01-30-2010 , 01:00 AM
Well there's a few things going on here. One, you want to be in ok shape when called, which is why KQ/KJ are usually ok to shove whereas A5o isn't; ditto 78s. Having an A does mean it's less likely he has one, though (the blocker effect) and he can still call you with KQ himself, which puts you marginally ahead. It comes down to stack depth (if you're too short you have no fold equity, if you're too deep it becomes worse to get your money in drawing to 3 outs), how light/often he's opening, and how tight he's calling. If he's opening lots but calling tight you can shove anything. If he's opening tight and never folding any of his opening range, you're obviously looking to be at least flipping, so need a real tight range. If it's somewhere in between, weigh up the factors and then say 'f**k it, gladiators is on tv' and shoe.
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01-30-2010 , 10:13 AM
So I assume without reads one shouldn't try this.
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