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04-11-2010 , 05:08 PM

Willloseitall88

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What is best play?

Full Tilt Poker $10 + $1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t3500 M = 7.78
UTG+1: t3335 M = 7.41
MP: t8245 M = 18.32
CO: t2980 M = 6.62
BTN: t1400 M = 3.11
SB: t3310 M = 7.36
Hero (BB): t10485 M = 23.30

Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is BB with 8

UTG raises to t600, 3 folds, BTN raises to t1400 all in, 2 folds, UTG calls t800

Flop: (t3250) Q

Turn: (t3250) K

River: (t3250) 4

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04-11-2010 , 05:11 PM

DOOM@ALL_CAPS

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If UTG has been tight, his range is pretty good against 88 so it would be a fold.

Not a bad spot to iso-shove if you know UTG is loose.

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04-11-2010 , 05:15 PM

jkugelman

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I'm shoving. UTG's range with 10BB will be wider than a normal UTG range. His minraise suggests that he's willing to fold if re-raised. 88 is a strong hand with 10BB effective and BTN's raise is a desperation move with only 5BB. Since neither player appears to be a threat, let's get them chips in!

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04-11-2010 , 05:20 PM

DOOM@ALL_CAPS

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Originally Posted by jkugelman

I don't think UTG will fold. I also assume we will be against 4 overs which makes our chance of winning 33%

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04-11-2010 , 05:21 PM

daviid

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Originally Posted by jkugelman

His minraise suggests that he's willing to fold if re-raised.

i doubt that. a lot of random villains play extremely big hands like that and i dont think to many people with 12bbs fold any hand after opening especially utg. i dont think shoving is bad tho. id iso shove here as well but doubt that there is that much fe.

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04-11-2010 , 05:22 PM

jkugelman

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A lot of randoms make incorrect raise/folds when shortstacked. Or bad raise/calls with poor cards. It's not a trap as often as it is one of the other two.

Look at half of the threads in this forum. People are constantly trying to raise/fold with <15BB stacks. If we don't take advantage of that tendency we're missing out.

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04-11-2010 , 05:29 PM

daviid

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yeah, u might be right. i seem to overrate the random villain, lol.

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04-11-2010 , 06:02 PM

ok1989

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I shove w/ these stacks.

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