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04-10-2012 , 01:58 PM

Proudwalker

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[hand_history]Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12509692

MP1: 1,540 (15.4 bb)
MP2: 3,030 (30.3 bb)
MP3: 1,560 (15.6 bb)
CO: 1,458 (14.6 bb)
BTN: 1,490 (14.9 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,500 (15 bb)
BB: 1,292 (12.9 bb)
UTG+2: 3,115 (31.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with x

2 folds, MP2 calls 100, 3 folds, Hero raises to 1,500 and is all-in, BB folds

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vilain is
a)35/10
b)50/10
c)15/15

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04-10-2012 , 02:44 PM

Vandammm

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if he's A or B, i say shove over with 55+ KJo+ ATo+ or something...if he's C my range is much tighter because he has yet to limp

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04-10-2012 , 05:52 PM

bibiscus

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for a or b, I'd shove super wide. any pair, any ace, any K, good Q, 9Ts+
c : 66+, K9s+, QTs+, A7s+

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04-10-2012 , 06:08 PM

kwanho1

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You can shove wide for the first two scenarios. But for the third option, it's his first limp so what could that mean? I'd be a bit cautious in that spot because there are a ton of reshoving stacks and he might be holding a monster there waiting for someone to ship.

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04-10-2012 , 11:00 PM

BigVach

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in any scenario don't shove the top of your range here. Even with a limper 15bb goes much further pre-ante than post-ante. Make it ~300-325 with at least TT+AQ.

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04-11-2012 , 08:44 AM

Proudwalker

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Originally Posted by BigVach

in any scenario don't shove the top of your range here. Even with a limper 15bb goes much further pre-ante than post-ante. Make it ~300-325 with at least TT+AQ.

Why not 500-600 on the 50/10? he's never folding.

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04-11-2012 , 09:29 AM

dietcoke1

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Originally Posted by Proudwalker

Why not 500-600 on the 50/10? he's never folding.

Do you think we're going to get more value from a 50/10 by raising to 1/3rd our stack relative to shoving all in?

I'm also confused as to why BigVach advocates shoving with worse than TT+/AQ+ but not better than that. Or am I misinterpreting?

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04-11-2012 , 09:32 AM

BigVach

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Originally Posted by Proudwalker

Why not 500-600 on the 50/10? he's never folding.

good point but a 50/10 is still folding to that sometimes. I'd probably just raise to 300 and take the guaranteed call. Nothing wrong with making sure you're taking a really passive fish to the flop IP with a premium hand. But yeah if you have a read that he'll never l/f pop away.

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04-11-2012 , 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dietcoke1

I'm also confused as to why BigVach advocates shoving with worse than TT+/AQ+ but not better than that. Or am I misinterpreting?

Because balancing isn't that important at this BI. It's okay to play the bottom of our range differently from the top in certain spots if it's justifiable. You aren't getting max value on your monsters by jamming here. 15bb pre-ante isn't really shove/fold territory anyway (obviously the limper changes that but still).

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04-11-2012 , 10:02 AM

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dietcoke1

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Originally Posted by BigVach

Ok, I think we can both agree balancing against a 50/10 in the micros isn't important. So are we shoving the bottom half of our range to get villain to fold?

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04-11-2012 , 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dietcoke1

So are we shoving the bottom half of our range to get villain to fold?

For simplicity yeah, but I'd also iso some non-premiums that flop well.

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