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03-17-2008 , 02:54 AM
$10+2 Daily Double
~30 players remaining

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 2,500/5,000 Blinds, 600 Ante, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 106,024
UTG: 63,354
UTG+1: 48,848
MP1: 143,752
MP2: 103,484
CO: 30,965
Hero (BTN): 61,554
SB: 40,706

Pre-Flop: (12,300) 5 5 dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls 5,000, 4 folds, Hero calls 5,000, SB raises to 10,000, BB calls 5,000, UTG calls 5,000, Hero calls 5,000

Flop: (44,800) 5 5 2 (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets 10,000, Hero calls 10,000, SB calls 10,000, BB folds

Turn: (74,800) 4 (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG bets 5,000, Hero calls 5,000, SB calls 5,000

River: (89,800) 9 (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG bets 5,000, Hero raises to 15,106

I think I should have put in a small raise on the turn. I guess my rationale for not doing so was that two players seemed willing to put chips in the pot and I didn't want to chase either of them. However, I think I should have built the pot a bit more on the turn so it would be easy to get all of UTG's chips on the river.

How would you play this?
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03-17-2008 , 07:41 AM
depending on how often UTG has limped + called a raise or limped + folded to a raise I seriously consider a push preflop.
Apart from that, I like your play on the flop, don`t really disagree with your play on the turn, but think you should have push all-in on the river...
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03-17-2008 , 07:55 AM
bad/fold pf but u hit jackpot on flop. I prob juice up the pot more on the turn but the min-bet is super weak so any 2bet prob fold everyone out.
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03-17-2008 , 12:37 PM
I don't mind the turn call, you have the nuts, let as many people stay in and hit their river card as possible IMHO. But I'd jam the river, screw that dinky raise, make sure you get paid off if someone calls. And even a jam is only 1/2 the pot or so.
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03-17-2008 , 12:51 PM
I'm really tempted to min raise turn as it makes it easier to get paid off when you jam river.
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03-17-2008 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by brad2002tj
I'm really tempted to min raise turn as it makes it easier to get paid off when you jam river.
oh no u didnt!
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03-17-2008 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by shutEMdown
oh no u didnt!
I think Wade's original line will be best against thinking players but against this villian I think you can raise to get more chips in the pot. A thinking villian won't feel good about anything except for 22 or 44. An overpair may stack off here but only because it's a $10 tourney. Villian's weak line looks like aq-ak or qq-aa only if he is betting light to "tarp."

Min-betting the turn against thinking players would make them think you have what you have although they probably couldn't fold. They would probably have to call his small river raise even though they wouldn't like it.

So my conclusion is basically against this player I like raising the turn but against a thinking player Wade's line may be ideal depending on history.

I'm really curious what villian had that he bet 1/18th pot on river.
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03-17-2008 , 02:38 PM
me likee the line but push the river
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03-18-2008 , 12:18 AM
PF limp is really bad, just shove and be happy when you get called and flop da nuts. I would probably not limp here with less than about 35bbs depending on how loose the table has been.

as played call flop and turn jam river
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03-18-2008 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BrandiFan
PF limp is really bad, just shove and be happy when you get called and flop da nuts. I would probably not limp here with less than about 35bbs depending on how loose the table has been.

Uhh, no. Limping preflop for 8% of my stack may not be optimal, but it is far from "really bad." Feel free to focus on the relevant streets (flop, turn, river...not necessarily in that order.)
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03-18-2008 , 04:57 AM
PF is ****ing awful dude with 12bs it's really really bad like if you never did it again you'd be a better poker player immediately
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03-18-2008 , 05:28 AM
either push river after his small bet, might look weaker than that raise, or raise turn smallish and shove river... You want to get all chips in, and I'm thinking if he's willing to call a raise on the river anyway, you should try to make max value out of their sloppy played overpair...
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03-18-2008 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by shaundeeb
PF is ****ing awful dude with 12bs it's really really bad like if you never did it again you'd be a better poker player immediately
What would your play be, shaun****deeb :-) ?
Would you just push over the limp from UTG or fold ?
Thx for wafflecrushing-insider-tip !
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03-18-2008 , 05:52 AM
hm, as for PF from a non-wafflecrushing-insider, easy shove I guess, except if UTG has tight limping range there...
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03-18-2008 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by comfortably_numb
What would your play be, shaun****deeb :-) ?
Would you just push over the limp from UTG or fold ?
Thx for wafflecrushing-insider-tip !
Shaun and I would jam it imo.
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03-18-2008 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BrandiFan
Shaun and I would jam it imo.
Thanks BrandiFan, just what I was thinking I would do but was not sure
if considered as correct/possible play.
No matter from the result, of course :-)
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03-18-2008 , 11:13 AM
nh, but awful play.

Preflop is terrible.

Got to raise the turn. The bet is so tiny.

What's with the tiny river raise? Is the goal to showdown the hand or to win some chips?
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03-18-2008 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by betgo
Got to raise the turn. The bet is so tiny.
OK. At what point does it become acceptable for me to limp in late position with 55 after someone has limped up front?
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03-18-2008 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandiFan
I would probably not limp here with less than about 35bbs depending on how loose the table has been.
since the entire table is <30x I am rarely if ever limping 55
edit: or anything else for that matter.
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03-18-2008 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollywade
OK. At what point does it become acceptable for me to limp in late position with 55 after someone has limped up front?
You could never do it and it wouldn't be a big leak. I'd say at least 40 BBs.
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03-18-2008 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunkman
You could never do it and it wouldn't be a big leak.
There is a quite interesting sentence, that I read on these forums first:
"Don't go broke in an unraised pot"
I sometimes have to remind myself of this important hint
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03-18-2008 , 12:46 PM
I understand the open limp is weak most of the time so a raise is good on the BTN. but with one more limper in 3rd position u think raise more or call for value? There is enough in the stack size to make this a value call yes?
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03-18-2008 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by richbrown360
I understand the open limp is weak most of the time so a raise is good on the BTN. but with one more limper in 3rd position u think raise more or call for value? There is enough in the stack size to make this a value call yes?
If you're still talking about op with 12x, no.
Shove or fold.
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03-18-2008 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by shaundeeb
PF is ****ing awful dude with 12bs it's really really bad like if you never did it again you'd be a better poker player immediately
please post here more
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