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QQ 4/180 QQ 4/180

06-11-2008 , 08:12 PM
I know i made a few mistakes in this hand on multiple streets...
no real reads..
Any help appreciated






Blinds: 75/150
Site: Pokerstars

Stacks:
UTG+1 with 1750
MP1 with 1795
MP2 with 4665
MP3 with 5330
CO with 900
BTN with 5575
SB with 1520
BB with 7815
UTG with 5865

Dealt to BTN:QQ
Preflop:
3 players fold.
MP2 raises 300 to 450
2 players fold.
Hero calls [450]
1 players fold.
BB calls [300]
Total folds this street: 6
Potsize: 1425
Flop:
J 64
BB: checks
MP2: checks
Hero bets [600]
BB calls [600]
1 players folded.
Total folds this street: 1
Potsize: 2625
Turn:
4
BB: checks
Hero bets [1500]
1 players fold.
BB calls [1500]
Potsize: 5625
River:
8
BB: checks
Hero bets [1500]
BB raises 3765 to 5265 [ all-in ]
Hero calls [1525] [ all-in ]
Uncalled bet (2240) returned to BB
Results:
BB shows a straight, Four to Eight:
7 5
Hero shows two pair, Queens and Fours:
Q Q
BB collected 11675 from pot

Last edited by Gucci Mane; 06-11-2008 at 08:20 PM.
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06-11-2008 , 08:18 PM
Leave results out in the future.

Can you please include the stack sizes? That will be a better indicator of whether a cold call is correct pre-flop.

Post flop bet more on the flop, while you can't really put him on a str8 draw (even though that is what he has), your small bet gives him correct odds to draw to the flush. After he calls the flop, his range should be most Ace-High flush draws (some that contain a pair), AJ, KJ, QJ, J10...MAYBE offsuit A4 or A6.

If that is your range, then the 4 only helped a small portion of that range. Make a big bet that can end the hand or force the villain to make a mistake.
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06-11-2008 , 08:27 PM
When you just flat call big pair PF you're trying to take a higher risk/higher reward line. This is the risk part. Also, flat calling OTB here is really bad in a 4/180.

Ok, I'll talk about the rest of it. You need to be pounding this flop pretty hard, I'd be betting like 1200, 600 isn't gonna cut it. Great flop for your hand, hope someone has a J and is willing to stack of with it. One of the reasons I'm betting the flop so hard is so I can shove the turn and it doesn't look weird. I mean, at some point during a hand you have to put the money in and hope villain has a second best hand that he'll stack off with. So often people make awful mistakes trying to make tiny bets and keep people around with nothing, the only problem is there's no guarantee when they hit something it's gonna be second best. Also, people always think "I'll slowplay so they can make a second best hand" but they don't think about the converse. That is, sometimes a person has a hand that could stand a lot of action on a certain street, but then a later street spooks them and you lose a ton of value. Like take for instance AQ in this hand, villain would have almost certainly called a 3bet, but now that the flop comes he's usually just gonna go away quietly, or at best give you nothing more than a cbet. For most beginning small stakes players, if they stopped slowplaying completely they would instantly become much better poker players.

Last edited by Dunkman; 06-11-2008 at 08:38 PM.
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06-11-2008 , 08:29 PM
Emon is hitting the right note.
I think you should bump it preflop to avoid more people in your pot.
I think the flop bet should be closer to pot size, since the board is draw heavy (with the flush being the most likely option). A pot sized bet on flop will set you up to shove turn as a natural betting sequence if/when a blank card hits the turn (as in the case here).

I pay off on this river too, however.
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06-11-2008 , 09:20 PM
Don't get fancy with big pairs in 4/180, play them strongly pre (Reraise!!) and post flop (bet more flop -> 1200, shove turn). As played shove river.
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06-11-2008 , 09:26 PM
Thanks everyone...
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