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04-14-2012 , 07:37 AM
http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/fullring/#bb10

Found these. They look kinda interesting.

Do these look accurate?
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04-14-2012 , 07:20 PM
Push charts are stupid because:

1. It assumes everyone is playing perfectly. No one is playing perfectly in the low/microstakes so it won't work well

2. It ****s up your game. You will rely too much on this and you will not be learning.
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04-15-2012 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kwanho1
Push charts are stupid because:

1. It assumes everyone is playing perfectly. No one is playing perfectly in the low/microstakes so it won't work well

2. It ****s up your game. You will rely too much on this and you will not be learning.
No way. This right once you're at a certain level, but if you're inexperienced/learning charts are gold. Show me someone who's blindly following a decent push chart in a 5$ turbo and I'll show you someone who's already better than 2/3 of the field. At least look at the chart and eval yourself. The first time my coach gave me a chart there were 3-4 leaks that jumped off the screen.

OP just be aware of kwanho's points and look at the charts as a baseline at first. Figure out how to use a spreadsheet and do actual cEV calculations in your spare time. Until then make the obvious adjustments based on table dynamics, your hud, and common sense. And fwiw you can probably find a more accurate chart than this that goes up by increments of 0.5bb.
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04-16-2012 , 11:31 PM
It can be helpful to a newbie but with enough experience these push fold plays will be second nature
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04-17-2012 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by XXMorpheusXX
http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/fullring/#bb10

Found these. They look kinda interesting.

Do these look accurate?

read kill phil
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05-08-2014 , 05:57 PM
There is a portion of these charts I don't understand. In the group with antes if your remaining big blinds are 10, 8. 6, 5 or 4 they include all pairs in the shoving range (22+). But for 3 and 2 big blinds left from early position they move this up to 44+ and 33+. I thought as you got shorter the pushing range was supposed to get wider, not narrower.
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05-08-2014 , 08:44 PM
Shorter stacks mean less fold equity, which makes those smaller pairs unprofitable shoves.
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05-08-2014 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGNietzsche
Shorter stacks mean less fold equity, which makes those smaller pairs unprofitable shoves.
dude....you are wrong.

IT's been proven in this forum math wise that shoving 22 UTG is profitable with less than 20BB's.

Last edited by HUHandEH; 05-08-2014 at 08:51 PM. Reason: and I mean that in a OMG nice way
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05-08-2014 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by HUHandEH
dude....you are wrong.

IT's been proven in this forum math wise that shoving 22 UTG is profitable with less than 20BB's.
Yes, that is clear. But with 2 or 3 BB it is not. DUCY?
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05-08-2014 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGNietzsche
DUCY?
Yup...but with 3bb, you're in ATC territory.

Kill Everyone.
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05-09-2014 , 06:03 AM
At the end of kill every one book there are tables of push depending on the M and with and without antes.

The table you are posting seems to be a simplified table more for Sin&Go than for MTT. In Sit&go is common play having less than 10bb, but not so much in MTT. But, it is better than nohing.

Hand Tables are a good starting point for newbies. There are many points for pushing or not, not just the bb stack, but you will know them by experience.
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05-09-2014 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGNietzsche
Yes, that is clear. But with 2 or 3 BB it is not. DUCY?
At 2 or 3 big blinds, you should be getting called every time by ATC.

Here is my take on it....you shove with 22, at the very best you are 50/50. On your very next hand, you may be worse, you may be better...it is still a 50/50 proposition. Your entire range is being called, but you have some shots to be better than 50/50 too. No more of a gamble, no less...just hoping to be in a more favorable spot.
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04-05-2015 , 07:37 AM
Sorry for necro post, but thought it was better than making new post on same subject. Aren't these charts supposed to be GTO? For example this:
http://www.holdemresources.net/h/poker-theory/hune.html
Is this exploitable? If so, how? I'm getting into the hypers, so help would be much appreciated.
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05-12-2015 , 11:02 AM
nash heads up push fold chart is GTO to about 5bb. =)
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05-12-2015 , 11:51 AM
Really? xD I've been using them up to 20bb and actually been winning a lot in the hypers recently :P I know nobody else plays push fold over 15bb but it has been working quite well :P But I'm such a noob.
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