Hi guys,

Hope I'm in the right place to post a question. Here's a difficult moment for me in a tournament I just played, and I wonder if I made the correct decision.

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t3500/t7000 Blinds + t875 - 9 players
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MP2: t310664 M = 16.91
CO: t478368 M = 26.03
BTN: t241486 M = 13.14
SB: t66864 M = 3.64
BB: t245685 M = 13.37
UTG: t375817 M = 20.45
UTG+1: t78781 M = 4.29
Hero (UTG+2): t206981 M = 11.26
MP1: t425801 M = 23.17

Pre Flop: (t18375) Hero is UTG+2 with K K
2 folds, Hero raises to t21000, MP1 calls t21000, 2 folds, BTN calls t21000, SB calls t17500, 1 fold

Flop: (t98875) 2 7 4 (4 players)
SB bets t44989 all in

Some info on the players:
Hero: Tag image
MP1: TAG
BTN: he had only been at the table for 15 hands or so, but only played two pots, both raised preflop by me and he always called PF, checked the flop and aggressively bet the turn, which I eventually folded, so I guess he thought he has a tale on me or something.
SB: not much info on him, he was short stacked and had a VP$IP below 20%, that's all I knew.

What would you do?

shove. and its not even close.

Thanks, but I'm interested in any other approaches, if any...I'll explain later why.

call and keep calling, if you shove here you may fold out weaker pairs which will prolly shove on the 7 high flop on theirself

i go way smaller pre here like 14444 most but w/e you got 4 callers. table seems awful so no reason not to 3x it.

Here's the thing: I thought shoving was the best move here, and that's actually what I still think. I'll tell you why:

1. the table is not loose, the thing that 4 players called means they all have great hands; a 3x PF raise is usually not called, or called by one person max
2. per 1, and especially as SB is shortstaked, I figured he doesn't have a set, as he wouldn't have called the PF raise with a small pair in this situation. So, I'm guessing he has tens or jacks. (he actually had sixes, so I'm a little bit off here, but nevertheless I was still ahead of him...)
3. I cannot see any reason why MP1 or BTN is ahead of me; my guess is that MP1 has a strong ace, and BTN a pair of jacks or something. Otherwise, I would have been reraised PF, no?

It turns out MP1 had aces, which he slow played exactly because the table is tight and he probably thought that nobody else is going to call my 3x raise. BTN had a pair of jacks indeed, with which he called three allins, so no comment here...

I busted out, but my question is if I could have ever seen this coming...By looking at my reasoning, do you see any errors of judgment?

Here's the rest of the hand:

Hero raises to t185106 all in, MP1 raises to t325223, BTN calls t219611 all in

Turn: (t768192) 7 (4 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t768192) T (4 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: t768192
BTN shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
SB shows 6 6 (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Hero shows K K (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
MP1 shows A A (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
MP1 wins t69010
MP1 wins t420351
MP1 wins t278831

well if they all have JJ+ there is no reason not to shove the flop, but your asumption of them having JJ+ imo is wrong, i would mostly asume 66-TT and let them shove by themself.

if the table aint awful i dont like your 3x

yeah, I agree to a certain extent, but I also wanted to protect my hand in this stage of the tournament. What do I do if I got called by a pair of Ts and he hits the T on the turn? I didn't want to take the risk of being eliminated when the pot was already big enough for me to resist to the final table, should I have won it.

Anyway, the question that reeeealy bothers me is this: is there any way I could have seen that MP1 had aces, or at least any way I could have factor in this variable?

The thing is, I just cannot see myself folding kings in this spot...where actually MP1 probably knew I had QQs or KKs and he wanted to trap me, which he did

Edit: and I agree with the 3x, I should have probably bet less.

obv you can asume he flats AA here as well at least some % of the time but it would not change alot of your Equity OTF

say he flats AA 50% of the time and the rest of his range is 77-KK

would you consider folding vs this range?

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he had it this time... cooler. w/e

you're right, thanks