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02-17-2010 , 04:11 AM
I thought this was interesting. How would people play this?

I don't have any stats or anything on anyone, but given the action it's not hard to imagine what their stats would look like.

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds + t25 - 9 players
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UTG+1: t2997 M = 5.00
UTG+2: t6410 M = 10.68
MP1: t295 M = 0.49
MP2: t5690 M = 9.48
CO: t1635 M = 2.73
BTN: t8235 M = 13.72
Hero (SB): t7475 M = 12.46
BB: t4923 M = 8.21
UTG: t1555 M = 2.59

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is SB with A 9
UTG calls t250, UTG+1 calls t250, 4 folds, BTN calls t250, Hero???
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02-17-2010 , 04:26 AM
complete
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02-17-2010 , 04:26 AM
hmmmm...guess the best option is to complete..
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02-17-2010 , 04:29 AM
just bloody fold, if you dont like this spot you arent gonna enjoy a 972 or and a72 flop.
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02-17-2010 , 04:41 AM
i'd rip em in on 972 guvna
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02-17-2010 , 05:01 AM
No one advocating a push?
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02-17-2010 , 05:51 AM
I'd just be shoving this. Unless we're getting tarped we're miles away from limping ranges.
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02-17-2010 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by smaug8821
I'd just be shoving this. Unless we're getting tarped we're miles away from limping ranges.
This sounds right. Must be massively +EV to shove. Adding nearly 20% to our stack if all fold. Occasionally I guess you get tarped or someone makes a moronic call with a limped pp but must be +EV in long run.
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02-17-2010 , 06:23 AM
I think we're too deep effective to shove (bloody BTN)...Agree with complete.
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02-17-2010 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by blind squirrel
I think we're too deep effective to shove (bloody BTN)...Agree with complete.
Pot is 1350 with all of the limpers... not sure we're too deep after all of that. Plus only BTN and BB have us even close in chips. This is too good of a hand to let 4 others see the flop imo.
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02-17-2010 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jchauvin
i'd rip em in on 972 guvna
op plays tighter then the **** of a bloody 12 year old, doubt he's not check folding any flop that doesnt include 2 9's
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02-17-2010 , 06:29 AM
def complete

play a flop - don't get committed oop
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02-17-2010 , 08:00 AM
yea complete, if you go broke on Ax flops fold > complete
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02-17-2010 , 08:32 AM
I think I would hate completing because then we have to play OOP against 4 opponents. If someone bets/raises an Ace high board we will have no idea where we are at. This situation leaves us open to too much guessing. I like a shove or fold pre. Shoving increases our stack substantially as someone said before by like 18% if my calculations are correct. BTN is the only hand whose stack really scares me and it's highly unlikely that he limped a good pp or a premium hand given his position and what's already in the pot to him pre. If he does call we are probably flipping or a favorite most of the time. More likely than not BTN will fold and that is the only stack that puts us out of the tourney if he calls. We still have around 2500t left if we shove and loose the hand (provided BTN folds). This looks like a good opportunity where we are ahead of a lot of peoples ranges and getting pretty good fold equity. I advocate a shove.
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02-17-2010 , 08:53 AM
shove
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02-17-2010 , 09:02 AM
fold/push >>>complete

i think shoving is really table dependant, are they limping AJ, AT, AQ, AK, KK, AA?
if villains are like 72/0, 34/2 and 30/3 i fold all day, someone is getting cute with a good hand everytime (almost always AJ/AQ)...
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02-17-2010 , 09:04 AM
if we don't shove my second choice is fold...not really sure why we would complete here
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02-17-2010 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ssnyc
if we don't shove my second choice is fold...not really sure why we would complete here
I agree. Completing is the absolute worst here with a hand as strong as A9.
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02-18-2010 , 08:13 AM
I'm bumping this because I think it's a great spot and I'm hoping to get more comments.

Personally, I'm more in the shoving camp, though 3xing has some interesting appeal given UTG (esp since I think UTG will likely get it in w/ a range I'm crushing). I don't see how limping can be good if some preflop action weren't better. Given how short some of the stacks are, and how ridiculous their ranges are, how often can we ever fold an ace postflop? I mean, it would be a super obvious shove if it weren't for the button...
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02-18-2010 , 08:51 AM
After a good nights sleep, this is still a shove imo. You'd 3x over 3 limpers?

shove >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fold > complete
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02-18-2010 , 09:14 AM
The appeal of the 3x is because there's pretty good chance utg shoves, which means I can shove over anyone that flats UTG's reshove
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02-18-2010 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PageUp
The appeal of the 3x is because there's pretty good chance utg shoves, which means I can shove over anyone that flats UTG's reshove
there is also a good chance they all flat and the button decides to join.

I think a shove gets a ton of folds and also gets some spaz calls by the shorties with worse...doubt the button ever ever takes an overlimp call line
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02-18-2010 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PageUp
I'm bumping this because I think it's a great spot and I'm hoping to get more comments.

Personally, I'm more in the shoving camp, though 3xing has some interesting appeal given UTG (esp since I think UTG will likely get it in w/ a range I'm crushing). I don't see how limping can be good if some preflop action weren't better. Given how short some of the stacks are, and how ridiculous their ranges are, how often can we ever fold an ace postflop? I mean, it would be a super obvious shove if it weren't for the button...
Thought about rising to 1.5k at first since we only need initial limper in pot and will most likely get rid of the other donks.
But the word donk here might be very important... they're bad so they're probably bad enough to call a 1.5k raise just to see what happens.

Shoving might be hence better. One of the big stacks will call anyway with his pocket 3s.
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02-18-2010 , 09:40 AM
Im rather a bit worried about utg+2 calling our shove with sth like AJ than Im worried about BTN. I still like a shove tho and I think completing A9o here is absolutely terrible.
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02-18-2010 , 11:51 AM
I would shove, BTN probably calls any kind of regular raise with his stack, especially if someone else calls. Then when you reshove he might feel obligated to call...I'm surprised with some of the stuff people limp/call with (88-TT, AT, AJ, sometimes AQ).
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