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04-06-2018 , 04:51 PM
Hello (think this is my first post in here, gl me)

How would I go about to calculate the best starting hands with X amount of bb's.

Ive worked a bit in HRC and it tells me all the hands that are +ev to shove pre flop. But How would I figure out which hands to raise/limp.

Obviously i should adjust to my opponents but id like to create a baseline range, for each position I can play when i dont know my opponents..

Ive seen some opening range charts etc. but most I've found are for 100 bbs starting stack.
(for example the pre flop charts Upswing poker got for cash games)

My question is how do you get to a range like that?

And how can I go and create one for myself with 30bb 31bb 32bb etc.

Maybe there is a specific amount of bbs where you always play the same range above fx 30bb's what is the point that we start changing our range?
(again obv. opponents but forget that)

Hope my question makes sense otherwise please ask me, sorry for my english its not my A-language.

Thanks

Last edited by jontenlol; 04-06-2018 at 05:02 PM.
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04-07-2018 , 03:02 AM
Hate to be unresponsive on this, but it's almost like asking whether hearts or diamonds play better.

I'd focus way more attention on analyzing tournament structures, in terms of how fast the blinds rise and how much of the field gets paid. Also think about where the big stacks and short stacks are, relative to where you're sitting. Big variations in stack size will lead opponents to play differently, and all these factors are going to color your strategy far more than whether you have JTo with 33BB or QTo with 31BB.
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04-07-2018 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverDood
Hate to be unresponsive on this, but it's almost like asking whether hearts or diamonds play better.

I'd focus way more attention on analyzing tournament structures, in terms of how fast the blinds rise and how much of the field gets paid. Also think about where the big stacks and short stacks are, relative to where you're sitting. Big variations in stack size will lead opponents to play differently, and all these factors are going to color your strategy far more than whether you have JTo with 33BB or QTo with 31BB.
I get your point, and i agree.. but i'd like to do both if that makes sense
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04-07-2018 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jontenlol
I get your point, and i agree.. but i'd like to do both if that makes sense
Fair enough. The math on this will get really intricate, and my gut sense is that what you're aiming for needs to be done with full-strength modern computing resources, rather than folks like us trying to grind out each possibility by hand (or Excel plus simple hand-simulation tools like twodimes or Slice.)

See if the University of Alberta research team is still interested in poker. Their last public posts were in 2015, and they were tackling the simpler problem of limit poker strategies back then, but maybe their crew is still at it. http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/

Some other academic researchers are mentioned here: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...t-humans-poker
and here: https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/arc...-workings.html

The Carnegie Mellon guys have moved onto no-limit heads up, with stunning results in late 2017. So the obvious next step is full-ring NLHE. Cash games might be easier to solve than tournament. But reach out to them, or poke around the web for Libratus information. If you find anything interesting, an update would be very welcome.
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04-09-2018 , 02:02 AM
I started with the Upswing charts and added a few hands I like to play about a year ago, make sure you open a bit wider than the upswing charts with 30+ BB, as antes are in play making each steal attempt worth more. Play tighter and think mostly shove/fold when you get to around 20 BB or less. Eventually it'll become second nature. Great app is snapshove for short stack play.
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